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Parents of St. Terese - Would imitation be a bad thing?
« on: May 28, 2010, 05:55:54 PM »
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  • Several people, including myself, have been known to throw "the parents of St. Terese the Little Flower" out there as good examples for married couples with children.

    But what about some choices/actions on their part that are FAR from a Catholic ideal? To what extent were they going with the flow, doing things that everyone else in their culture did that were far from ideal in a Catholic formation?

    One item in particular: Both father and mother each worked at their business, and sent off their babies to be raised by someone else until they were a certain age! How can we Catholics follow this as an ideal?

    I suppose it's one of those things where the saints should NOT be imitated. In other words, saints are not perfect in EVERY respect. The Church canonizes a saint because they reached a level of heroic virtue, but it doesn't mean everything the saint did -- from early childhood to death -- was the best choice.

    So I suppose all we can do is "be inspired" by their virtues, but we can't really follow their lifestyle, since using nurses/nannies/servants was a big part of it.

    I just find it interesting -- How many of us, here in 2010, would look up to a well-to-do, double-income Catholic couple who sent their children to daycare? Perhaps it's a testimony to the sweetness of St. Terese the Little Flower?
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    Parents of St. Terese - Would imitation be a bad thing?
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2010, 06:04:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Several people, including myself, have been known to throw "the parents of St. Terese the Little Flower" out there as good examples for married couples with children.

    But what about some choices/actions on their part that are FAR from a Catholic ideal? To what extent were they going with the flow, doing things that everyone else in their culture did that were far from ideal in a Catholic formation?

    One item in particular: Both father and mother each worked at their business, and sent off their babies to be raised by someone else until they were a certain age! How can we Catholics follow this as an ideal?

    I suppose it's one of those things where the saints should NOT be imitated. In other words, saints are not perfect in EVERY respect. The Church canonizes a saint because they reached a level of heroic virtue, but it doesn't mean everything the saint did -- from early childhood to death -- was the best choice.

    So I suppose all we can do is "be inspired" by their virtues, but we can't really follow their lifestyle, since using nurses/nannies/servants was a big part of it.

    I just find it interesting -- How many of us, here in 2010, would look up to a well-to-do, double-income Catholic couple who sent their children to daycare? Perhaps it's a testimony to the sweetness of St. Terese the Little Flower?


    I don't think it is a necessarily bad or wrong thing to send your children away - boarding schools can be great for children.  Also, many children are raised by grandparents or other relatives to help take the load off the parents.


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    Parents of St. Terese - Would imitation be a bad thing?
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2010, 06:19:29 PM »
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  • Not to change the flow of the topic, but our family had a miracle happen, truely a miracle due to St. Therese the Little Flower.
    I would like to share it, however it will have to wait till tomorrow since my time on the computer is limited today.

    BTW... I am raising 2 of my grandchildren, not to help the parents but wanting them to have a Catholic education.  No Catholic school where they live, but I have one, almost in my back yard.  
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    Parents of St. Terese - Would imitation be a bad thing?
    « Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 04:26:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Several people, including myself, have been known to throw "the parents of St. Terese the Little Flower" out there as good examples for married couples with children.
    ...
    One item in particular: Both father and mother each worked at their business, and sent off their babies to be raised by someone else until they were a certain age! How can we Catholics follow this as an ideal?...


    According to Wikipedia (yes I know!), Therese was ill soon after birth, and her mother couldn't nurse her, so she found a wet nurse, but the wet nurse had a family of her own and couldn't stay with the Martins, so Therese was sent to the wet nurse's house until she was 15 months old. And then she returned home for good.

    Her mother died when Therese was 4.

    Therese was educated at home until she was 8.

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    Parents of St. Terese - Would imitation be a bad thing?
    « Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 09:14:04 PM »
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    I don't think it is a necessarily bad or wrong thing to send your children away - boarding schools can be great for children.  Also, many children are raised by grandparents or other relatives to help take the load off the parents. [/quote]

    The only place children want to be is with their parents,  boarding schools are great for children without families.  Why would would a child want to be raised by an institution when they could be raised with love?  Grandparents and relatives are a good substitution in the case of illness or death, not as caretakers To take the "load" of the parents.  If the purpose of marriage is procreation,  raising that family must also be essential to living a Catholic life.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 11:36:49 PM »
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  •   I searched the web and found some extracts of 'the root and seed of the little flower' in google book.
      According to that source and some others, Zelie Martin really really wanted to be a nun. So when she was getting married, she casked God to give her many children, all with religious vocations. After she lived with Louis Martin for nine mouths like brother and sister, she wondered why she wouldn't get pregnant desipte of having prayed for it!
      Nearly thirty y/o and that innocent? Even our Lady, who is the holiest, knew how things worked as a teenage, when Gabriel announced the coming of Messiah to her.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 01, 2010, 03:45:30 AM »
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  • Just recalling that Our Lady went to live at the Temple from the age of three. I don't know how common that was, but I doubt she was the only one.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 01, 2010, 08:31:30 AM »
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  • Therese is the Saint -- not her parents.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 10:37:16 AM »
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  • St. Therese's parent's were beatified in October of 2008.

    http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=30127

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    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 02:06:47 PM »
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  • Was it Saint Teresa that was the 23rd of 23 children, or am I mixing her up with someone else?
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    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 02:38:58 PM »
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  • I think you might be thinking of St. Catherine of Siena.  St. Therese was one of 5 daughters, and I believe the youngest.  I think there were 4 or 5 brothers also, but they all died as infants or very young children.  God Bless, MrsZ


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    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 02:40:11 PM »
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  • Oh.  Did you mean St. Teresa of Avila?  I don't remember how many children in her family.  I thought you were referring to St. Therese of Lisieux.   :wave: