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Offline klasG4e

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Pajama Days
« on: March 25, 2018, 04:54:13 PM »
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  • One more idiotic and outright evil thing that has been standard fare in a lot of public schools and even in a good number of "catch up" Catholic (if you can call them that) schools for some time is Pajama Days.  The children may go all the way from pre-school (as in your Head Start classrooms for example)  through the 12th grade and the scheduled Pajama Days may be as common as once a month.  The students literally come to school -- rain, shine, or freezing snow -- wearing their pajamas.  One more evil way of sɛҳuąƖizing the students, even the toddlers!  When you ask someone in authority why in the world they do this the conventional answer runs along the lines of, "Well, it's just a little way of putting some fun into the school day, you know, just an extra way breaking up the school routine a bit to make school a bit more interesting and entertaining."


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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2018, 04:59:21 PM »
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  • We have pajama days every day at our school!   ;D

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)


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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2018, 05:04:07 PM »
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  • We have pajama days every day at our school!   ;D

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
    Great comment!  You're right!  The Home Schoolers are way ahead of the curve.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2018, 05:49:01 PM »
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  • Great comment!  You're right!  The Home Schoolers are way ahead of the curve.
    I had my son wear a uniform while he was homeschooling:  Dark slacks (deep blues) with a white dress shirt.  During a cold front, I would allow him to wear a flannel shirt, sweater, or sweat shirt. He had a backpack too, and he would pull out his notebook, binders, or a book to read. Other parents in our homeschooling cooperative would also have their sons and daughters wear uniforms.  They carried backpacks too. In this way, they blended in with the school population because most schools here whether private or public wear uniforms. These uniforms are sold at J.C. Penneys, other department stores, or even at Amazon.com. They can even be purchased used at Goodwill.
    Wearing a uniform would help especially when we would attend Divine Liturgy or have a doctor's appointment. If the police saw him in his uniform, they were far less likely to pull a truancy stop. We never had a problem.

    My son would know exactly what to wear in the morning, so that if we did attend the Divine Liturgy, he did not have to change his clothes. Besides, our priest was happy to see our son wearing a uniform as did not want the ladies and children to be wearing PJs all day unless they were sick.

    So, I agree with the OP. It is so important for children to learn to put on the appropriate clothes immediately upon rising. Moms and dads should set the example as doing otherwise could give the wrong impression, and might scandalize other homeschooling families.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #4 on: March 25, 2018, 07:24:01 PM »
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  • I had my son wear a uniform while he was homeschooling:  Dark slacks (deep blues) with a white dress shirt.  During a cold front, I would allow him to wear a flannel shirt, sweater, or sweat shirt. He had a backpack too, and he would pull out his notebook, binders, or a book to read. Other parents in our homeschooling cooperative would also have their sons and daughters wear uniforms.  They carried backpacks too. In this way, they blended in with the school population because most schools here whether private or public wear uniforms. These uniforms are sold at J.C. Penneys, other department stores, or even at Amazon.com. They can even be purchased used at Goodwill.
    Wearing a uniform would help especially when we would attend Divine Liturgy or have a doctor's appointment. If the police saw him in his uniform, they were far less likely to pull a truancy stop. We never had a problem.

    My son would know exactly what to wear in the morning, so that if we did attend the Divine Liturgy, he did not have to change his clothes. Besides, our priest was happy to see our son wearing a uniform as did not want the ladies and children to be wearing PJs all day unless they were sick.

    So, I agree with the OP. It is so important for children to learn to put on the appropriate clothes immediately upon rising. Moms and dads should set the example as doing otherwise could give the wrong impression, and might scandalize other homeschooling families.
    It was a joke.  :facepalm:

    I guess I am lucky to live in TX, where I don't have to worry about truant officers.

    But I completely disagree about making homeschooling formal.  Children will learn better in a comfortable environment, especially in the lower grades.  

    Making school miserable is a prescription for failure.

    Furthermore, for you to say homeschoolers can scandalize other homeschooling families by NOT wearing a uniform, is asinine.


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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #5 on: March 25, 2018, 08:31:53 PM »
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  • It was a joke.  :facepalm:

    I guess I am lucky to live in TX, where I don't have to worry about truant officers.

    But I completely disagree about making homeschooling formal.  Children will learn better in a comfortable environment, especially in the lower grades.  

    Making school miserable is a prescription for failure.

    Furthermore, for you to say homeschoolers can scandalize other homeschooling families by NOT wearing a uniform, is asinine.
    The uniform was very comfortable for him and it blended in whenever we went to the Divine Liturgy as they had an attached school and the children wore the same uniform. In fact, my son felt better (safer) wearing it. He usually wore the short-sleeved uniform shirt, which he liked. It was a win-win situation for us and for those of us who home-schooled. Indeed, it was not even my idea as our homeschooling co-op recommended this uniform as a protection from the truancy police.

    Besides he wore tennis shoes or those made by Keds, not military dress shoes.

    No, it was not asinine to wear a uniform. On the other hand, wearing PJs to school could scandalize other home-schoolers. Some of the parents were financially distressed, so they appreciated having a uniform to wear, especially when members would donate their clothing to the homeschooling group for anyone to use. Uniforms made their children look so much better because their other clothes were rags.

    We had regular meetings once or twice a week where parents would volunteer to teach classes for all the students.  Sometimes a professional was hired, but that was expensive and a very rare treat. The students were to be dressed and well-groomed at all times.

    Yes, neighbors could call the truancy officers at any time, so we had to be very careful. Sometimes during our meetings, those leading the homeschooling group would ask us to keep our voices down as they had received complaints.

    When we were at public parks during the after school hours, then our children could chase each other and yell and scream all they wanted.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2018, 10:11:30 PM »
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  • One more idiotic and outright evil thing that has been standard fare in a lot of public schools and even in a good number of "catch up" Catholic (if you can call them that) schools for some time is Pajama Days.  The children may go all the way from pre-school (as in your Head Start classrooms for example)  through the 12th grade and the scheduled Pajama Days may be as common as once a month.  The students literally come to school -- rain, shine, or freezing snow -- wearing their pajamas.  One more evil way of sɛҳuąƖizing the students, even the toddlers!  When you ask someone in authority why in the world they do this the conventional answer runs along the lines of, "Well, it's just a little way of putting some fun into the school day, you know, just an extra way breaking up the school routine a bit to make school a bit more interesting and entertaining."
    People are now wearing PJs or extreme short shorts when outdoors at the malls shopping, especially at Walmart, where nothing is left to the imagination. It is so immodest and disgusting.

    Then there are the stores, like the Sleep Number Mattress Stores where the employees must wear PJs. They actually enjoy this. Again, some of the sleep wear is really immodest.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #7 on: March 25, 2018, 10:26:12 PM »
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    The "PJ Day" plague hit our local school district about 1996. When I first heard about this I was LIVID.
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    I marched right into the school office and had a face-to-face with the principal. 
    She respected my wishes and assured me that the practice would be optional.
    I dug in my heels and accused her of supporting a practice that could do nothing good for the children.
    She deferred to the "duties" of her office and said this was a directive coming from "downtown." 
    (This was in the LAUSD which is run out of downtown Los Angeles by overpaid administrators.)
    As I recall, I managed to get her approval for keeping my children home that day and getting make-up work.
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    But then they had the same nonsense year after year, for one day, and eventually I caved in letting my children go to school that day, but they NEVER wore pajamas. I had the reputation of being a stick-in-the-mud as a result. Whatever.
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    It's not surprising for me to hear this is now done once a month.
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    It seems to me to be a gradual process of getting everyone accustomed to having the STATE take over raising your children.
    A very prominent Communist agenda, BTW.
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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #8 on: March 25, 2018, 11:39:35 PM »
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  • ... as a protection from the truancy police.

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    Yes, neighbors could call the truancy officers at any time, so we had to be very careful. Sometimes during our meetings, those leading the homeschooling group would ask us to keep our voices down as they had received complaints.
    I'm glad I don't live wherever you are. (Or, maybe this was years ago?) Sneaking around or lying low or blending in during the school day has never crossed my mind.
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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #9 on: March 25, 2018, 11:52:37 PM »
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  • I once considered joining a homeschool group that required uniforms. I was a bit annoyed at the time that the only reason they gave for requiring the uniforms was that it would ensure modesty standards were followed. I considered this to be an insult toward my ability as a parent to dress my children modestly. I'm rather happy in retrospect that it didn't work out because I didn't need one more thing to worry about.

    Personally, I see uniforms as an element of "school at home" rather than "home school". But, I know there are other families who think it's just easier and/or helpful to use uniforms. I think if I had access to an abundance of gently used, modest uniforms, I might have a different perspective, but to me it's an unnecessary expense. (Incidentally, the aforementioned group had to special-order the skirts for their members in order to get them to a length they felt was modest.)
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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #10 on: March 26, 2018, 12:24:45 AM »
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  • We have pajama days every day at our school!   ;D

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
    Earlier, when I said great comment and that you were ahead of the curve, I took it to mean you were just kidding and that you were talking about your children being home schooled, but that they already wore pajamas every day -- at night to bed, but not during school hours.  Hope I was right in my interpretation!


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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #11 on: March 26, 2018, 12:39:27 AM »
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  • I once considered joining a homeschool group that required uniforms. I was a bit annoyed at the time that the only reason they gave for requiring the uniforms was that it would ensure modesty standards were followed. I considered this to be an insult toward my ability as a parent to dress my children modestly. I'm rather happy in retrospect that it didn't work out because I didn't need one more thing to worry about.

    Personally, I see uniforms as an element of "school at home" rather than "home school". But, I know there are other families who think it's just easier and/or helpful to use uniforms. I think if I had access to an abundance of gently used, modest uniforms, I might have a different perspective, but to me it's an unnecessary expense. (Incidentally, the aforementioned group had to special-order the skirts for their members in order to get them to a length they felt was modest.)Oh,
    Oh, that is so bad on so many levels. All the families in my homeschool were really excited about the uniforms.

    The boys wore standard school uniforms and with the generous donations from other members, there was no added expense for those who were on a tight budget. However, the girls had a great project. They had their own special club, as did the boys, but the girls made their own skirts, blouses, and graduation dresses, which could double as a church dress as it was ankle length.

    You would be surprised how much the families saved. The girls wore their skirts mid-calf length. For the primary and elementary school grades, the little ones wore A-lined skirts with elastic waists.

    One of the families had a large home that they would open up to the girls. This home had a large family room with extra sewing machines. Some machines were donated by grandmas who no longer would sew. They had lots of sewing supplies, all the threads, needles, thimbles, and scissors that one would need along with extra irons and ironing boards. Parents would help instruct the girls in sewing skills, and older ones would teach the younger ones for an extra merit badge called teacher's aide.

    Initially, the families and children voted for skirt colors or different patterns for each grade level (K, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, middle school and high school), and the skirts were lovingly handed down from sister to sister or to another family. This encouraged the girls to study so that they would be promoted to the next grade level and get to wear a different color.

    The girls would go to a fabric store such as JoAnn's whenever they were having a special, pick up some fabric and sew skirts using only a yard or two depending on the size they needed. They learned how to sew straight seams, flat-feld seams, French seams, blind hems, and elastic casings. The older girls learned how to sew more complex patterns with pockets, buttons, buttonholes, zippers, and pleats.  The girls would get merit awards much like the Girl Scouts for their activities such as learning to cook, publish a club newsletter, sew, ride a horse, etc.  

    The older girls would sew skirts for the younger ones, and some families would purchase these skirts, so the girls could make extra spending money to help their parents. It was a win-win situation. Each girl had at least two to three skirts, one of which was a floral calico pattern for their club uniform. They made sashes for their project badges, but I do not know where they obtained those badges.

    The blessing of making their own clothing: girls were not influenced by the fashions they would see at the stores or online. This is why the ladies were so excited. It really saved them a lot of money as they did not have to drive to stores.

    Since my son was in the boy's club, we did not interact very often with the girls except for Christmas parties, etc.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #12 on: March 26, 2018, 12:45:03 AM »
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  • I'm glad I don't live wherever you are. (Or, maybe this was years ago?) Sneaking around or lying low or blending in during the school day has never crossed my mind.
    The Socialistic State of California watches you from cradle to grave. It is a nightmare for parents.

    We have reporting laws, so the department of child services is feared if a child makes too much noise in the home or outside during the school day.  We have mandatory vaccinations, so if a child is injured and hospitalized, he or she could receive up to 10 vaccinations at one time with or without parental approval because social workers consider a non-vaccinated child to be an abused child.  Children have been removed from their homes by such social workers because of non-vaccination. Yes, it is dreadful.

    Oh, true story. We used to have a goat, and the goat would cry, "Maaaaaa". One of the neighbors almost called the social workers as she thought that our son was stranded outside and was crying. That was the end of that goat. We donated her to a monastery.

    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #13 on: March 26, 2018, 10:00:15 AM »
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  • If you get sent to a public school you are most likely considered to be a kid.

    If you are home schooled you are most likely considered to be a child.

    So far -- thank heavens -- I have never seen the worls kid or kids replace the words child or children in Sacred Scripture.

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    Re: Pajama Days
    « Reply #14 on: March 26, 2018, 10:37:17 AM »
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  • Earlier, when I said great comment and that you were ahead of the curve, I took it to mean you were just kidding and that you were talking about your children being home schooled, but that they already wore pajamas every day -- at night to bed, but not during school hours.  Hope I was right in my interpretation!
    Of course!
    Ugh.
    I will bow out now.