Author Topic: Padre Pio -- sobering -- one out of 3 denied absolution (Read 1577 times)

Charity · « **on:** August 06, 2022, 03:44:37 PM »

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Dear Friends of the Kolbe Center,

Glory to Jesus Christ!

In this newsletter, we will continue our reflections on God’s greatest miracle—repentance!—and on St. Adam as an exemplar of a truly repentant soul.

St. Padre Pio: Modern Prophet of Repentance

In modern times, no one has been a greater prophetic witness to the necessity of repentance than St. Padre Pio, the Capuchin stigmatist priest-monk of San Giovanni Rotondo. It is estimated that St. Pio refused absolution to one out of three of those who went to him for confession—because God enlightened him to see that these souls were not truly repentant. This refusal of absolution often angered the penitents, but again and again it served as the “shock” to their system that they needed to respond to the grace of God with a firm purpose of amendment, so that they were willing to die rather than fall back into any mortal sin or into the near occasion of sin. The story of the atheist intellectual Paolo Nigro illustrates how St. Padre Pio elicited cooperation with the grace of God from hardened sinners so that they arrived at the point where they could receive the grace of true repentance.

Paolo Nigro received a degree in Humanities in 1936 and took a second degree in Philosophy in 1940. He considered himself an atheist and his Philosophy thesis was a denial of the existence of God. He later taught in high school, all the while maintaining his ideas. His wife however was strong in her faith. Because she was an orphan, she had been brought up and educated in a convent run by Carmelite nuns and she had stayed there until she was twenty-two. Together they made their home in Taranto.

When Paolo was still very full of intellectual vigour and feeling quite fit, he was suddenly struck by an grave illness. He had a dry pleurisy and in the spring of 1950 it was bringing him close to death; the doctors in fact had eventually declared they could do nothing more for him.

One Saturday evening in April at 10pm two men knocked at the door of his house; they introduced themselves: Otello Risaliti was a warrant officer in the Navy and the other was a man named Carlo Lusardi. Since Paolo's wife Maria did not know them, she of course did not want to let them in the house, for she was alone with her two children and her seriously ill husband. At this time, he was gravely ill and had had a very high temperature of 105°F for two weeks. At times he was delirious, and seemed at death's door. The two men insisted saying: "Padre Pio has sent us and we have to say the rosary for the man here who is seriously ill".

The poor woman had never even heard of Padre Pio and therefore she was unsure what to do. She told the men to wait at the door and went and had a word with her sick husband, who having heard that the men spoke of saying the rosary, he gave his permission, and so finally she let them in.

Here it must be said that a few years before, in 1946, Prof. Nigro had slightly changed his opinion as an atheist. He had surprised everyone when he had requested to meet the Archbishop of Taranto, Mons Bernardi, to whom Prof Nigro related a story of how he had had a kind of vision in which he saw Our Lady's profile. After this vision he started to go to Mass, even though he didn't go regularly. We can surmise that this was the reason he let two strangers, who wanted to pray the rosary for him to the Blessed Virgin, to come into his house.

Santina, Paolo's daughter, who was a child at the time tells us what happened next:

"I can see it as if it were yesterday. The two men, Risaliti in his white uniform and Lusardi, both kneeling and together devoutly saying the rosary. However as they were praying, dad was restless and said to mum: "Maria, send that hooded friar at the foot of the bed away". Mum said nothing; she imagined that vision was due to his high temperature".

Before leaving after finishing the rosary, the Padre's spiritual sons discreetly begged Maria to accept some money: "It is sent by Padre Pio. You will need it next week to pay for your husband's journey from here to San Giovanni Rotondo. The Padre wishes to see him. And the remainder is for the medicines".

About this particular point Santina explains: "It was as if Padre Pio knew we had spent nearly all our money to buy penicillin which was very expensive at the time".

The following Monday, the sick man was much better. His temperature had gone down to normal and the doctors were amazed. His health had improved so much that on Thursday, three days later, at 9.00 in the morning, Risaliti and Lusardi came to collect him and take him by taxi to the Taranto train station, as he ardently desired to meet Padre Pio. In the evening they arrived at San Giovanni Rotondo and the three men together took lodgings in a little white house on the right, going up the road leading to the friary.

The next day, Friday, they took him to the sacristy where Padre Pio was confessing the men. At the end of the confessions, P. Pio came out from the curtain, which hid him from view of onlookers.

"My Dad" said Santina, “immediately recognized in him as the friar who the previous Saturday he had seen at the foot of the bed while the rosary was being said. My dad immediately went up to him and threw himself on his knees, crying. The Padre helped him up holding his wrists and said in our dialect: "If you cry, I won't come to your house any more."

The next day dad confessed to the Saint, who put him back in God's grace and accepted him as a spiritual son. He immediately became a different person. He went to Mass every day and received Holy Communion.

The Padre continued to be near him in those first steps into a new life. He came [spiritually, through bilocation] to visit him at home. During his convalescence dad sometimes said to me: "Santina, Padre Pio is putting his hand on your head".

Afterwards I had often seen him crying because of his past sins. He tried to make up for it by leading people to God and also to Padre Pio.”

(Testimony of Santina Nigro, San Giovanni Rotondo, May 10, 2005)

Our First Father, St. Adam: Model of Repentance

St. Aengus

In the Tradition of the Church the repentance of St. Adam and St. Eve was kept continually before the interior eyes of the faithful. St. Aengus, an Irish saint who flourished in the last quarter of the eighth century is held in imperishable honour as the author of the Feliré, or Festology of the Saints. In his work “The Penance of Adam and Eve,” St. Aengus has St. Adam address St. Eve in great sorrow after their expulsion from Paradise:

Adam was a week yet

after his expulsion out of Paradise,

weary, without fire, without dwelling,

without drink or food or clothing.

Because they were impoverished

they went into the midst of the field,

great was the mutual reproach perpetually

between Eve and Adam.

“O Eve of the just fair form,

sorrowful are we through thy impenitence;

through thy misdeeds, through thy transgression,

alas! we have been cast out of Paradise.

“Much did we relinquish of good

when we vexed our High Prince;

Paradise was ours under perfect command

with every reverence.

“Youth and joy, by us it has been heard,

health, playfulness, delight,

bordered lands, most perfect of form,

wondrous plants, harmonies.

“Noble satisfaction, singular wholesome peace,

a festival of holiness for souls,

. . . many the habitations,

frequent intercourse with angels.

“Lasting life, continually at God's right hand,

for ever in the brughs of Paradise,

in which, under fair aspect,

God's creatures were doing us reverence.

“All the living things under heaven

which my faithful dear God created,

under (our) control over every high place,

we it was who used to order them.

“Fire would not burn us,

water would not drown us,

nor sharp edge . . .

nor (was there) pestilence nor consuming disease.

“There was not among the elements of dear God,

one that would come, in heaven or earth,

against our will, to destroy us,

save only the wicked Lucifer.

“Even Lucifer

could not harm us,

while we were under law (in a) perfect course

according to mandate, according to command.

“Because we wronged dear God

who gave us everything,

on every height, all creatures together,

are (now) in opposition to us.

“It is not God who has been evil towards us,

O Eve, ruddy, gentle fair one;

it is we who have wronged the Prince,

though He provided us with lasting good.”

St. Eve replies:

Eve spake, for she was in distress,
in sorrow, after the fall;
“O Adam, marvellous over every wild,
why do you not kill me for my sins?

“It is I who transgressed the law,
it is I who committed the transgression,
it would then be right that thou should'st slay me,
O my Lord, O Adam!

“Provided that I fall (just the measure)
for my sins, for my transgression,
clearly the greater mercy
will thy God shew towards thee.”

“Greatly have we offended the King,”
said he, said Adam, without contempt,
“O Wife, I will not commit murder on thee,
though I be famished, though I be naked.

“I will not lift my hand
upon my own blood, my own flesh;
how great soever thy crime,
it is from my body thou art.

“It is not fitting for us in any way
to outrage Him again;
so that the true Prince, O wife,

may not cut us off and utterly destroy us.

Today we hear a lot from feminists who claim the right to “lift their hands” against their “own flesh” for no crime at all. Perhaps it is time for us to make St. Adam and St. Eve special intercessors for the unborn, recognizing that in spite of Eve’s great guilt, St. Adam tells Eve that he would not “lift his hand upon his own blood, his own flesh; how great soever thy crime, it is from my body thou art.” All women on earth today exist because “the mother of all the living” came forth from the body of a man—a man who would not “lift his hand upon his own blood, upon his own flesh, that came forth from his body.” Let us invoke St. Adam and St. Eve to obtain for us and for all souls the grace of true repentance!

Yours in Christ through the Immaculata in union with St. Joseph,

Hugh Owen

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2022, 07:15:33 PM »

It's hard to say. I'm not sure how they would have compiled this estimate. Also, I'm sure that a fair number of people went to Padre Pio insincerely, out of curiosity, because of his celebrity and reputation. There are stories of women who had shorter skirts on who would go to Confession as they were trying to pull them down. Women in particular would be drawn to Padre Pio because of his celebrity status.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2022, 08:08:49 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2022, 07:15:33 PM

It's hard to say. I'm not sure how they would have compiled this estimate. Also, I'm sure that a fair number of people went to Padre Pio insincerely, out of curiosity, because of his celebrity and reputation. There are stories of women who had shorter skirts on who would go to Confession as they were trying to pull them down. Women in particular would be drawn to Padre Pio because of his celebrity status.

Just got to ask, if Padre Pio was in the confessional, behind a screen, how did he know whether any particular woman's skirt was too short or not? Or was it one of those confessionals where the priest could see straight out, and penitents would come to either of two sides, so that he would have a general idea of how the various penitents were dressed, by seeing part of the line (and I'm assuming it was a long line)?

Or would the same supernatural knowledge that allowed him to read people's hearts, also have allowed him to know how the penitent was dressed?`

Charity · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2022, 09:11:50 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2022, 07:15:33 PM

It's hard to say. I'm not sure how they would have compiled this estimate.

Neither do I, but there is apparently some serious commentary online such as https://divinefiat.blogspot.com/2020/06/padre-pio-on-denying-absolution.html that would seem to lend a fair amount of credibility/plausibility to the estimate. In any event, I'm sure the holy man helped a lot of people take the sacrament a lot more seriously in terms of proper preparation and a true repentance by his more severe stance regarding absolution. Also, I think it safe to assume that he was following a well formed Catholic conscience in his administering of the sacrament.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2022, 09:42:02 PM »

Quote from: SimpleMan on August 06, 2022, 08:08:49 PM

Just got to ask, if Padre Pio was in the confessional, behind a screen, how did he know whether any particular woman's skirt was too short or not? Or was it one of those confessionals where the priest could see straight out, and penitents would come to either of two sides, so that he would have a general idea of how the various penitents were dressed, by seeing part of the line (and I'm assuming it was a long line)?

Or would the same supernatural knowledge that allowed him to read people's hearts, also have allowed him to know how the penitent was dressed?`

He had one where he could see out, so it's possible he got an eye at them before they entered. But he was also able to read souls, and immodest dress would be obvious to him.

Yeti · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2022, 09:47:59 PM »

Quote from: Charity on August 06, 2022, 03:44:37 PM

It is estimated that St. Pio refused absolution to one out of three of those who went to him for confession

You can't possibly believe such a ridiculous statistic?!

Yeti · « **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2022, 10:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Charity on August 06, 2022, 09:11:50 PM

https://divinefiat.blogspot.com/2020/06/padre-pio-on-denying-absolution.html

That is a very interesting article, but I don't know:

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I once said to him: “In the case of death, these people whom you refused absolution run the risk of damnation.” He replied: “Who told you these souls were not in the grace of God?” I objected: “If they are in the grace of God why can't they receive Holy Communion? And he: “Because they must do a particular penance.” The Padre believed that those penitents who are well-prepared and who had not been absolved, were not in God's disfavor as a result of the fact that they hadn't been given absolution, and even though they were at the door of the Church, they were already part of the ecclesiastical circle. This period of waiting at the door of the Church was a rather “refined” penance, and precisely for this reason, it was probably reserved for those souls who were capable of understanding its importance and efficacy.

Frankly, that really doesn't make sense to me at all. Someone can't be absolved unless they do some particular form of penance? And someone who was refused absolution isn't in danger of losing his soul? I think whoever heard those statements of Padre Pio may have misunderstood what he was talking about.

Shrewd Operator · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2022, 08:34:07 AM »

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I once said to him: “In the case of death, these people whom you refused absolution run the risk of damnation.” He replied: “Who told you these souls were not in the grace of God?” I objected: “If they are in the grace of God why can't they receive Holy Communion? And he: “Because they must do a particular penance.” The Padre believed that those penitents who are well-prepared and who had not been absolved, were not in God's disfavor as a result of the fact that they hadn't been given absolution, and even though they were at the door of the Church, they were already part of the ecclesiastical circle. This period of waiting at the door of the Church was a rather “refined” penance, and precisely for this reason, it was probably reserved for those souls who were capable of understanding its importance and efficacy.

Frankly, that really doesn't make sense to me at all. Someone can't be absolved unless they do some particular form of penance? And someone who was refused absolution isn't in danger of losing his soul? I think whoever heard those statements of Padre Pio may have misunderstood what he was talking about.

This is not that difficult of a proposition, especially from Padre Pio's stand point. It's not just a matter of "A sin is a sin, why can't he just absolve it?" A thief can't be forgiven unless he returns the thing he stole, or it's value. There are also some graces are not granted unless specifically prayed for. The Padre would not refuse absolution unless he knew it would turn out well, or the soul could not be helped in any case. A person can have the right intention (and should!) in going to confession and achieve perfect contrition, but be denied absolution. They are not technically at risk for Hell because they are in Grace, but they must refrain from Communion and come back again after doing more, or better penance. If an excommunicant went to the bishop and said "I want to be reconciled' the bishop might make him do public penance before lifting the sentence.

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2022, 08:39:56 PM »

Here's a video of Padre Pio in action.

At 1:50, he's handed a child to bless. The Italians are so funny.

Nadir · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2022, 06:16:03 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on August 07, 2022, 08:39:56 PM

Here's a video of Padre Pio in action.

At 1:50, he's handed a child to bless. The Italians are so funny.

Poor man! Always surrounding by people chasing him for a blessing, kissing him, wanting to catch a glimpse of him, never a moment’s peace. He would have been driven mad if he wasn’t so sane!

look at the mail he received. One of those letters could have been my husband’s who wrote to him for advice. His letter was answered, so probably many of them were, but of course by one of a team of scribes on Padre Pio’s behalf.

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