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Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2022, 10:44:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 10:07:55 AM
    Those of us who have researched MJ and know what we are talking about, advocate CHANGING THE LAW, not being above it.

    You think that I was speaking of man-made laws? No - I was speaking of God's laws. There's a difference. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #46 on: March 17, 2022, 10:56:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 10:44:15 AM
    You think that I was speaking of man-made laws? No - I was speaking of God's laws. There's a difference.
    God's Laws is with a capital L.

    Read your Bible.  God was o.k. with and even encouraged drinking wine.  He changed water into wine. 

    He was o.k. with MJ, too:
    Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #47 on: March 17, 2022, 11:00:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 10:44:15 AM
    You think that I was speaking of man-made laws? No - I was speaking of God's laws. There's a difference.
    All I've seen in these threads are LT and Meg's laws
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #48 on: March 17, 2022, 11:05:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 10:56:52 AM
    God's Laws is with a capital L.

    Read your Bible.  God was o.k. with and even encouraged drinking wine.  He changed water into wine. 

    He was o.k. with MJ, too:
    Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29

    Why didn't He mention pot specifically? If it's such a wonder or miracle drug, as some claim.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #49 on: March 17, 2022, 11:09:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
    Why didn't He mention pot specifically? If it's such a wonder or miracle drug, as some claim.
    Why should He?  MJ is just one of His wonderful herbs.  
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #50 on: March 17, 2022, 11:12:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 11:09:33 AM
    Why should He?  MJ is just ONE of His wonderful herbs.

    Okay then. Mind altering psychotropic herbs are wonderful, for some, who need and depend on that sort of thing. Got it.

    Are there many traditional Catholics who don't think that mind-altering psychotropic drugs may pose a problem? Probably not many. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #51 on: March 17, 2022, 11:12:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
    Why didn't He mention pot specifically? If it's such a wonder or miracle drug, as some claim.
    God only revealed what is necessary for salvation, you know this.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #52 on: March 17, 2022, 11:14:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 17, 2022, 11:12:43 AM
    God only revealed what is necessary for salvation, you know this.

    So pot isn't necessary for salvation? Are you sure about that? Because quite a few trads are backing pot smoking. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #53 on: March 17, 2022, 11:16:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 11:14:46 AM
    So pot isn't necessary for salvation? Are you sure about that?
    No. That's been the argument this entire time. It is morally neutral, rife for either abuse or benefit. Like everything else. You and LT are the ones arguing that it is inherently evil and a sin to use.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #54 on: March 17, 2022, 11:18:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 17, 2022, 11:16:03 AM
    That's been the argument this entire time. It is morally neutral, rife for either abuse or benefit. Like everything else. You and LT are the ones arguing that it is inherently evil and a sin to use.

    Never said it's inherently evil. Sinful, yes, under the proper circuмstances. You believe that psychotropic substances cannot be sinful with improper use? You believe that humans are not capable of improper use? Really? 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #55 on: March 17, 2022, 11:24:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 11:18:27 AM
    Never said it's inherently evil. Sinful, yes, under the proper circuмstances. You believe that psychotropic substances cannot be sinful with improper use? You believe that humans are not capable of improper use? Really?
    Did you read my comment or glean over it with your own lens of interpretation? I literally said "rife for either abuse or benefit."
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #56 on: March 17, 2022, 11:46:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
    Okay then. Mind altering psychotropic herbs are wonderful, for some, who need and depend on that sort of thing. Got it.

    Are there many traditional Catholics who don't think that mind-altering psychotropic drugs may pose a problem? Probably not many.
    Never said any such thing.
    God made them for our use/food.
    Will you argue with God?

    If man commits sin by using what God gave us inappropriately, it is not the fault of the item but of ourselves.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #57 on: March 17, 2022, 01:30:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 11:46:26 AM
    If man commits sin by using what God gave us inappropriately, it is not the fault of the item but of ourselves.

    Sorry, but simple logic has no place in this discussion.

    Just think of this:
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #58 on: March 17, 2022, 01:43:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 17, 2022, 01:30:44 PM
    Sorry, but simple logic has no place in this discussion.

    Just think of this:


    I can't tell whether you are serious or not.
    Your statement i can tell is said tongue in cheek, but not all MJ users look like that.  Only the ones who abuse MJ look like that.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #59 on: March 17, 2022, 03:09:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 17, 2022, 11:16:03 AM
    No. It is morally neutral, rife for either abuse or benefit. Like everything else.... LT are the ones arguing that it is inherently evil and a sin to use.
    Post where I said "it is inherently evil and a sin to use".  Never said any such thing. But while I am at it, thanks for the opening:

    To be blunt and short I've been saying all along that MJ for recreational use is a leg spreader for young girls. That if anyone's daughters are smoking MJ as recreation, it is a certain indicator that they are having sɛҳuąƖ relations with men or soon will be.


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    Last Tradhican wrote: Whether something is a sin or not is not the final maker or breaker of almost anything that we do every day. It is not a sin for a family with children to have a pet rattle snake. It is not a sin to fix an appliance while it is plugged in. Just because it is not a sin for your daughters to smoke MJ recreationally does not mean that it is wise to allow it or encourage it. This thread (Is Marijuana use Sinful to Catholics?) is useless for the real world, it is only here for smokers of MJ to justify themselves, seeking teachers according to their own desire. Again, I am talking about recreational use of MJ among single young people, not medical use.



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