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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2022, 06:41:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 16, 2022, 06:04:45 AM
    History is repeating itself. 

    Recreational pot use means lazy and immaturity.  If you love God and have peace you don’t need pot, cigarettes, alcohol, food and other addictions.  Children especially teenagers watch their parents.  If you are smoking pot, these children can smell it.  They aren’t dumb. They will end up doing pot or worse.  Maybe these children who grew up in traditional Catholic homes leave the Church because they are tired of the hypocrisy.

    Smoking pot is a sign that one and doesn’t  work enough or pray enough to enjoy true recreation.  They have too much time on their hands. 
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #16 on: March 16, 2022, 06:42:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:38:10 PM

    In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. That is why I see the young people leave and go into the world as soon as they are able. That is what happened in the 1960's when 80% of Americans went to mass and the Novus Ordo did not exist. The priest didn't have a clue how to deal with it. I see women counselors who never had any children, giving lectures about how to raise children, and college professors who have never had to use their theories in the real world, teaching students . They are only good for teaching those that know little, like children. "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".

    If you have not smoked pot you can't know anything but what you read. If you have friends who smoke pot, that is one way to learn about the effects by seeing them and how they live. Do you have any experience with relatives and friends who smoke pot?
    You made this very revealing statement.

    You claimed that your "experience" (your exact word) allowed you to know the advice of multiple priests (you used the plural) and were in a position to know the results of that advice regarding five concerns. So, unless 1 penitent had sins related to all five topics, you are claiming you have knowledge of the sins of multiple penitents before and after the advice of multiple priests.

    You cannot know the advice of multiple priests unless you were told by the priests and penitents or listened at the confessional. Which is it? Did multiple priests break the seal of the confessional? Or did you listen to the confessions of others? Or did multiple people decide that they also needed to confess their sins to you? Which is it?

    You cannot know the outcome of that advice unless you can compare the sins before and after the advice. To make that comparison you must have knowledge of the sɛҳuąƖ activities of multiple people. How did you get that knowledge?  Did all those penitents give you a tally of their porn use, masturbation, and fornication?  Were you doing occult paranormal "remote viewing"? Or were you a serial Peeping Tom?

    Of course, there is another possibility… You lied that you have "experience," simply did the Meg thing, presumed you know the interior forum and project acts about which you could only perversely know or imagine, and are just what we know you to be—a rabid blowhard perverted bullsh*tter.

    Your own statement reveals that you are a seriously disordered person—sɛҳuąƖly and spiritually—who foams and perversely ruminates about and projects the sɛҳuąƖ sins of others. It seems that your stated sɛҳuąƖ past is reflected in your present disorder.

    Totally disgusting.


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #17 on: March 16, 2022, 06:43:07 AM »
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    • Pot costs money to buy or even grow. Money for pot could be Money to feed your family or for fuel to attend Mass.  

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #18 on: March 16, 2022, 06:44:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:38:10 PM

    In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. That is why I see the young people leave and go into the world as soon as they are able. That is what happened in the 1960's when 80% of Americans went to mass and the Novus Ordo did not exist. The priest didn't have a clue how to deal with it. I see women counselors who never had any children, giving lectures about how to raise children, and college professors who have never had to use their theories in the real world, teaching students . They are only good for teaching those that know little, like children. "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".

    If you have not smoked pot you can't know anything but what you read. If you have friends who smoke pot, that is one way to learn about the effects by seeing them and how they live. Do you have any experience with relatives and friends who smoke pot?

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #19 on: March 16, 2022, 11:58:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 16, 2022, 12:38:57 AM
    If there weren't traditional Catholics here in support of recreational pot smoking, then this thread would likely not have been started.

    Some of the traditional Catholics here find it offensive that some of us do not agree that recreational pot-smoking is a good thing, and not a problem at all.

    We're not allowed to have an old-fashioned view of the subject, and we need to "get with the times" and be cool with pot smoking, whatever the reason.

    Some of us aren't hippie-trads, and never will be. I guess the '60's and '70's are here again, and alive and well. 
    You may feel differently if you or a loved one ever get a cancer which is incurable by western means but very curable through the use of MJ.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #20 on: March 16, 2022, 12:05:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
    You may feel differently if you or a loved one ever get a cancer which is incurable by western means but very curable through the use of MJ.

    So it's a cure for cancer now. Huh. 
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #21 on: March 16, 2022, 12:09:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 16, 2022, 12:05:33 PM
    So it's a cure for cancer now. Huh.
    Where have you been...
    Been proven decades ago.  Google the Rick Simpson oil story.  Very enlightening.

    We should all be growing it and making the stuff for people with cancer, and ingesting MJ recreationally as a proactive against cancer the same way some people are taking ivermectin proactively.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #22 on: March 16, 2022, 12:13:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
    Where have you been...
    Been proven decades ago.  Google the Rick Simpson oil story.  Very enlightening.

    We should all be growing it and making the stuff for people with cancer, and ingesting MJ recreationally as a proactive against cancer the same way some people are taking ivermectin proactively.

    Not heard of pot being a cure for cancer. And I've been around for a long time. We probably move in different circles. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #23 on: March 16, 2022, 12:50:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 16, 2022, 12:13:34 PM
    Not heard of pot being a cure for cancer. And I've been around for a long time. We probably move in different circles.
    We all move in different circles...
    I am not a pothead.  I never use the stuff and I don't have it in my house.   But I do support the legalization of it, like alcohol.

    When you have a loved one suffering from incurable cancer, you may look into Rick Simpson oil.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #24 on: March 16, 2022, 01:09:33 PM »
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    Not heard of pot being a cure for cancer. And I've been around for a long time. We probably move in different circles.
    As per usual, you are uneducated on the topic, but you post as if an expert.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #25 on: March 16, 2022, 01:10:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 16, 2022, 01:09:33 PM
    As per usual, you [Meg] are uneducated on the topic, but you post as if an expert.  :facepalm:
    Nailed it… again!


    It is an amusing irony that marijuana's strongest opponents continue to claim that marijuana causes cancer. The National Institute of Drug Abuse funded UCLA pulmonologist Prof. Donald Tashkin. For decades Tashkin struggled to demonstrate that smoking marijuana causes cancer, but he finally gave up. Tashkin's 2006 publication of his case-controlled study compared 1,200 patients with lung and head and neck cancers to a control group without cancers. To his credit, Tashkin reported reported the results that flew against his prejudice. He reported that, while tobacco smokers had a twenty-fold risk of cancer compared to non-smokers, marijuana smokers had lower cancer risk than non-smokers.

    Got that? Marijuana smokers had lower cancer risk than non-smokers!

    Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study

    Mia Hashibe; Hal Morgenstern; Yan Cui; Donald P. Tashkin; Zuo-Feng Zhang; Wendy Cozen; Thomas M. Mack; Sander Greenland. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev (2006) 15 (10): 1829–1834.
    https://doi.org/10.1158/1055-9965.EPI-06-0330

    Tashkin's findings merely echoed an earlier 1997 National Institute of Drug Abuse funded study of 65,000 Kaiser HMO patients. In turn, those findings in humans were presaged by federally funded animal studies from the 1970s.

    Get the memo—the most committed opponents of marijuana (researchers and feds) have been forced to begrudgingly admit that there is no evidence that marijuana causes cancer.

    That marijuana smokers have lower cancer risk than non-smokers certainly lends credence to the reports of cancer cures using marijuana.

    Sure, marijuana's rabid enemies can point to this or that putatively carcinogenic chemical in marijuana smoke (e.g., aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzopyrene), but whatever those chemicals, it is clear that marijuana's beneficial chemicals have the predominant effect.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #26 on: March 16, 2022, 06:25:25 PM »
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    • Why are there 4 active threads about Marijuana?  I know why, so that's a rhetorical question.  Most of these need to be locked.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #27 on: March 17, 2022, 02:27:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
    You may feel differently if you or a loved one ever get a cancer which is incurable by western means but very curable through the use of MJ.
    This thread is about recreational use of marijuana which has nothing to do with medical use. Bringing up the medical use is just an excuse to justify recreational use. We are not discussing medical use, that is another issue that is contested, same as medical barbiturates, like ritalin and such, it is opening up another can of worms, like your saying it cures cancer. Stick to the subject, recreational use.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #28 on: March 17, 2022, 02:47:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 16, 2022, 06:25:25 PM
    Why are there 4 2 active threads about (Recreational) use Marijuana? 
    There, that's better.

    Since I started them both, I'll answer.

    The Answer is, because : Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

    What could be more important that saving the souls of our daughters and sons, from the sin that takes almost all adults?

    The real question to ask, is why are there not more threads about the sin that takes practically everybody, while there are so many about worldly events, like moon landings, the Jєωs, 20 varieties of sedevacantes, Biden, Trump, Putin how many angels fit on a pinhead........

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #29 on: March 17, 2022, 06:41:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 02:47:59 AM
    There, that's better.

    There were at least 3.   You started 2 of them.  This should all stay in one thread.  It seems like every time you thought you made some great point, you started a new thread.
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