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Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2022, 07:35:13 AM »
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  • The writer accuses me of conjecture and extrapolations by using conjecture and extrapolations against me, when I precisely only asked questions to avoid conjecture. Amazing! The writer either answers the questions or that is the end of the conversation.

    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana

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    Quote from: epiphany on Today at 12:25:20 AM

    Epiphany responded - I have told my children that.


    "That " means - You taught your children that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. You are saying that your young girls go out with boys and smoke MJ and that you smoke MJ with them at home.

    You also said before that your children run around naked, I assumed it was just the little babies, but at what age do you cut it off, or do they just switch to running around in under wear? By the way, are you OK with your daughters going to the beach wearing bikinis or wearing short shorts about town?

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    I dissected your statement and extrapolations stating what "you said" and ",I do" and you think I am extrapolating?  I stated facts, not extrapolations.

    It is very difficult to have a logical conversation with you.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #91 on: March 18, 2022, 08:15:31 AM »
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  • It is very difficult to have a logical conversation with you.
    Well, you brought it up, I was trying to avoid saying it, but you have no logically ordered sense.  I have been a business executive all my life, I made my money PRECISELY making sense of what others could not see, They had 95% of the job done and could not see it, and I had to show them to make it work. I did that all of my life.  If you were going to build a highrise building, it would just be windows miraculously floating in the sky. There's no point in asking you anything, it will just open another can of worms. I am sorry, but I do not have the time to spare you. 


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #92 on: March 18, 2022, 08:29:57 AM »
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  • Well, you brought it up, I was trying to avoid saying it, but you have no logically ordered sense.  I have been a business executive all my life, I made my money PRECISELY making sense of what others could not see, They had 95% of the job done and could not see it, and I had to show them to make it work. I did that all of my life.  If you were going to build a highrise building, it would just be windows miraculously floating in the sky. There's no point in asking you anything, it will just open another can of worms. I am sorry, but I do not have the time to spare you.
    Pride goeth before the fall.

    I pity you. 

    In my job, I read.  I read a LOT. 

    Children will rise to the level of expectation.
    Children will fail under an iron fist.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #93 on: March 18, 2022, 11:51:31 AM »
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  • I pity you. 

    Nothing to pity, when one knows nothing about the person. Basically, there is no way to know anything about anyone here if they do not say anything about themselves. I am proud to post everything I've done since I came back to the Church, and all that God has done for me. So I'll do much more than just answer the four questions. Here is my Catholic bio, my heritage and my life since I came back to the Church:

    At the age of 40, God brought me back to the Church, and almost directly to the SSPX and the trad mass. I never saw a Novus Ordo mass when I was young, for I left the Church before the N.O. existed and when I came back to the Church I only went like 5 times,  before I found the SSPX.

    I came back at 40 years of age and 3 years later I met my future wife at mass when she showed up one day. I married her when I was in my late 40's and she was in her early 20's. God sent me not only a young beautiful looking wife, but also a trad Catholic that wanted what I wanted, 12 children. Unfortunately, she had problems at half a dozen, and that is where we are today. She is very organized, is a master chef, and she has been homeschooling the children from K to 12. Our children’s ages run from less than 8 to almost 21. They are all very happy children living in the outdoors on our farm, no cell phones, eating unbelievable food, and all of them with a great sense of humor. We have taught them to not be afraid to question anything we teach. The more questions children ask, the more one knows that they understand.

    I was raised by my father and mother and worked with my father in the family business. In other words my Dad and I were together every day from the time I was born till the day he died. My grandfather did the same with my father, and he lived with me also from the day I was born till I was 40. He died when he was almost 101 and was in perfect health, he ate a big dinner, went to sleep and just didn't wake up the next day. My grandfather was the CEO of a company with 5000 employees, and my father the President of a company of 2000 employees. They lost everything, every penny, to communism in 1960, when I was just 6 years old, and they both came to this country and proceeded to work to do it all over again again. Incredible people! They were with me all day till they died, teaching me everything about life and how to teach my children. 

    My family heritage comes from a Catholic country, a Catholic culture, Spain, but like most Catholic cultures they do not really teach or live the faith, the faith is just something they do on Sunday for an hour. Being a Catholic culture however, almost all that they do and the way they behave, though they do not realize it, came from being a Catholic culture for like ever. Family is everything, and all the cousins and relatives live like across the street and grandparents teach them how things were and should be in the family. Grandparents are their best friend, after their parents, and the grandparents and parents, aunts and uncles, for the children, are their  TV, Internet, cell phone, movies, teaching them everything about life. THAT is what I am continuing with my family. I am proud of my family and everything we are doing.

    Here I answer the questions:

    Do you use MJ recreationally? No, I never used it recreationally. I did however use it as a tool for evil purposes when I was young and foolish, before I came back to the Church

    Do you have daughters? Yes, more than 4

    Do they know that you are Ok with them smoking MJ recreationally? I am not OK with its use and they know exactly why and any doubts or questions that they have, they have been taught from experience that they can come and ask both my wife and I.

    Are they going out by themselves to see friends? No, they are chaperoned by my wife or I, same as my parents, my grandparents, and great grandparents were.

    This is how it works:


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #94 on: March 18, 2022, 12:42:02 PM »
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  • Nothing to pity, when one knows nothing about the person. Basically, there is no way to know anything about anyone here if they do not say anything about themselves.

    Utterly clueless. There is indeed much to pity in a man who imagines he left behind his life before 40 while still projecting those decades upon others "there is no way to know anything about."

    Glad you have a nice family. Glad you reverted to the Faith.

    How clueless that you can be thankful for your own family, but have repeatedly defecated upon others' thankfulness and families. For pages upon pages in multiple threads you have expelled your innuendo like explosive diarrhea. That life before 40 was yours, not ours.

    Your opposition to MJ is of trivial concern compared to your and Meg's constant contumacious projection of the interior forum of others about whom, in your own words, "there is no way to know anything about." http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2015/05/27/traditional-catholic-sin-against-the-holy-spirit/


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #95 on: March 18, 2022, 12:51:32 PM »
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  • Utterly clueless. There is indeed much to pity in a man 
    Irrelevant to the thread. 

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #96 on: March 18, 2022, 12:53:23 PM »
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  • Enough arguing.  It’s Lent.  

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #97 on: March 18, 2022, 01:04:59 PM »
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  • Irrelevant to the thread.

    Indeed relevant to the thread: You have no "evidence" except your own spiritual and sɛҳuąƖ disorder that after 40 continue to damage your thinking (such as it is).

    Damaged wiring.

    Pitiable.


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #98 on: March 18, 2022, 01:38:14 PM »
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  • Enough arguing.  It’s Lent. 
    I dipped my toes into this discussion somewhere...one of the threads...and quickly realized it wasn't going to be fruitful.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #99 on: March 18, 2022, 01:53:04 PM »
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  • To re-cap in short:


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    -  Recreational MJ use in young girls is an indicator that they are promiscuous or will soon. Girls can easily have sɛҳuąƖ relations just by picking out the man they are attracted to and saying let's go. If one is a parent they should treat MJ use in their daughters as a rattlesnake in the home!


    -  MJ use in boys is only different in that they just can't go out to any girl they are attracted to and say Ok let's do it. In boys the biggest problem is that they lose their drive for improving themselves, reaching their God given potential and they will self abuse themselves.

    Those are just two effects of MJ for recreational among young people to show that in the real world there is rarely any moderation in use for young people.
    I am really surprised that there are even three people on CI that are defending recreational use of MJ for young people, even their daughters. But I should have known better because it happened also in the 1960's among Catholics when there were Catholic schools and only the Latin Mass, so why not now with so-called "trads".


    Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #100 on: March 18, 2022, 02:49:37 PM »
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  • I dipped my toes into this discussion somewhere...one of the threads...and quickly realized it wasn't going to be fruitful.
    What better time than Lent to oppose those who arrogate to themselves the charism to read the interior forum of others?

    LT projects his "leg spreader" life before 40 on others as Meg projects her home life on others.
    LT rages about the sɛҳuąƖ proclivities of others while boasting of his "functionality" and younger wife.
    LT and Meg pretend they can read the interior forum of others even though LT stated he can "know nothing about them."
    LT is thankful for his family, but LT and Meg defecated on the thankfulness of others for their families.
    LT is seriously disordered spiritually and sɛҳuąƖly. Meg is disordered psychologically and spiritually in her delusions about others' interior forum.


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #101 on: March 18, 2022, 03:36:46 PM »
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  • Nothing to pity, when one knows nothing about the person. Basically, there is no way to know anything about anyone here if they do not say anything about themselves. I am proud to post everything I've done since I came back to the Church, and all that God has done for me. So I'll do much more than just answer the four questions. Here is my Catholic bio, my heritage and my life since I came back to the Church:

    At the age of 40, God brought me back to the Church, and almost directly to the SSPX and the trad mass. I never saw a Novus Ordo mass when I was young, for I left the Church before the N.O. existed and when I came back to the Church I only went like 5 times,  before I found the SSPX.

    I came back at 40 years of age and 3 years later I met my future wife at mass when she showed up one day. I married her when I was in my late 40's and she was in her early 20's. God sent me not only a young beautiful looking wife, but also a trad Catholic that wanted what I wanted, 12 children. Unfortunately, she had problems at half a dozen, and that is where we are today. She is very organized, is a master chef, and she has been homeschooling the children from K to 12. Our children’s ages run from less than 8 to almost 21. They are all very happy children living in the outdoors on our farm, no cell phones, eating unbelievable food, and all of them with a great sense of humor. We have taught them to not be afraid to question anything we teach. The more questions children ask, the more one knows that they understand.

    I was raised by my father and mother and worked with my father in the family business. In other words my Dad and I were together every day from the time I was born till the day he died. My grandfather did the same with my father, and he lived with me also from the day I was born till I was 40. He died when he was almost 101 and was in perfect health, he ate a big dinner, went to sleep and just didn't wake up the next day. My grandfather was the CEO of a company with 5000 employees, and my father the President of a company of 2000 employees. They lost everything, every penny, to communism in 1960, when I was just 6 years old, and they both came to this country and proceeded to work to do it all over again again. Incredible people! They were with me all day till they died, teaching me everything about life and how to teach my children.

    My family heritage comes from a Catholic country, a Catholic culture, Spain, but like most Catholic cultures they do not really teach or live the faith, the faith is just something they do on Sunday for an hour. Being a Catholic culture however, almost all that they do and the way they behave, though they do not realize it, came from being a Catholic culture for like ever. Family is everything, and all the cousins and relatives live like across the street and grandparents teach them how things were and should be in the family. Grandparents are their best friend, after their parents, and the grandparents and parents, aunts and uncles, for the children, are their  TV, Internet, cell phone, movies, teaching them everything about life. THAT is what I am continuing with my family. I am proud of my family and everything we are doing.

    Here I answer the questions:

    Do you use MJ recreationally? No, I never used it recreationally. I did however use it as a tool for evil purposes when I was young and foolish, before I came back to the Church

    Do you have daughters? Yes, more than 4

    Do they know that you are Ok with them smoking MJ recreationally? I am not OK with its use and they know exactly why and any doubts or questions that they have, they have been taught from experience that they can come and ask both my wife and I.

    Are they going out by themselves to see friends? No, they are chaperoned by my wife or I, same as my parents, my grandparents, and great grandparents were.

    This is how it works:
    Who cares?

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #102 on: March 18, 2022, 03:39:34 PM »
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  • To re-cap in short:

    I am really surprised that there are even three people on CI that are defending recreational use of MJ for young people, even their daughters. But I should have known better because it happened also in the 1960's among Catholics when there were Catholic schools and only the Latin Mass, so why not now with so-called "trads".


    Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
    Use of MJ is not a sin of the flesh. 
    Rather, it's use is encouraged by God in the bible for our benefit.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #103 on: March 18, 2022, 04:03:23 PM »
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  • Use of MJ is not a sin of the flesh. 
    Rather, it's use is encouraged by God in the bible for our benefit.
    Where specifically? :confused:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #104 on: March 18, 2022, 04:36:27 PM »
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    I am really surprised that there are (even three) people on CI that are defending (recreational) use of MJ (for young people), (even their daughters).
    This is the epitome of how a woman argues:

    1.  The above phrases (in parenthesis) have not been argued by anyone on CI, specifically, but LT inserts them into the argument to gain "popular" support, much like the modern media.
    2.  LT doesn't argue like a man, rationally, but repeatedly inserts ideas and "buzz words" which he knows will cause an emotional agreement with his cause.  Another modern media tactic.
    3.  LT refuses to acknowledge the logic of moral theologians on the issue and also is in capable of distinguishing between 'allowance' and 'encouragement'.
    4.  etc, etc.  One could write a 10 page essay of the lack of logic and rationality in LT's posts.  I trust him as much as I trust a novus ordo bishop.  He has lost all integrity in my eyes.