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Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #165 on: March 22, 2022, 05:58:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 22, 2022, 09:00:26 AM
    :facepalm:  The Church of LT...not based on principles or facts but strictly emotions. 
    I have never read more emotional, narcissistic vomit than when I read most of his posts.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #166 on: March 22, 2022, 06:02:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 22, 2022, 05:53:58 PM
    Yep.
    Fr. Scott is a brainwashed ex-MD.
    Injesting MJ is much safer than smoking.
    Really? He was a physician? If so and if he is no longer practicing, that would explain why his understanding is so obsolete.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #167 on: March 22, 2022, 07:07:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 22, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
    Really? He was a physician? If so and if he is no longer practicing, that would explain why his understanding is so obsolete.
    Yep.
    He once did a sermon from the pulpit basically saying that parents who do not vaccinate their children commit child abuse. 
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #168 on: March 22, 2022, 09:48:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 22, 2022, 06:59:04 AM

    Fr. Scott was an MD is his previous life.  If a little     wine is o.k. then a little MJ is o.k.  loss of the use of reason is the key, as in drunkeness.

    I will trump your Fr. Scott:

    Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29
    Correction. Fr Scott studied medicine in his previous life. He was not an MD.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #169 on: March 22, 2022, 10:09:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on March 22, 2022, 09:48:10 PM
    Correction. Fr Scott studied medicine in his previous life. He was not an MD.
    Do you know specifics?

    "Studied medicine… not an MD" could mean anything from "flunked out of med school" to "dabbled in quackery."
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #170 on: March 23, 2022, 12:42:41 AM »
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    • http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/medical/brain_death_and_organ_harvesting.htm

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    Fr. Peter Scott studied medicine before entering the seminary and was ordained in 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre.
    I understand that he did not practice medicine, except as a student.
    Not to say he "flunked out of med school" or "dabbled in quackery., merely that he did not continue in medicine for the body but medicine for the soul.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #171 on: March 23, 2022, 01:17:17 AM »
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    • A stack of cards, built on assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... a total end run everywhere one looks.

    Here are all the unproven assumptions they use to reach the conclusion that it is OK for anyone and everyone to smoke marijuana recreationally. All the observable history ofMJ recreational use being a scandal, being a danger to the family, and being a danger to health, the 32 points are totally dismissed by a sleigh of hand

    They assume that recreational use will no longer be scandal, because they say so. 

    They assume that it will not be danger to the family because they just say so.

    They assume that it is not a danger to health because the US medical industry has some articles on the medical benefits.  They do not listen to the US medical industry on anything (covid, cancer remedies, vitamins, natural remedies, ivermectin), but on this they ignore the 32 points and the actual experience of MJ use since the 1940's, and use ONLY the so-called medical  benefits (not proven)  and sentimentalism  for the sick,  to turn EVERYTHING around, do an end run to teach that anyone can smoke MJ, even young girls and boys. 

    They assume that it is no different than alcohol, then proceed to use the Moral theology on alcohol. 



    It is all a stack of cards, built on assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... a total end run everywhere one looks.



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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #172 on: March 23, 2022, 02:08:01 AM »
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    • Except that LastPerv's ass-umptions are erroneous and entirely ass-

    umptions, projection of his sɛҳuąƖ, spiritual, and intellectual disorder.


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #173 on: March 23, 2022, 02:09:39 AM »
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    • Research on the safety and benefit of medical use of marijuana informs rational evaluation of social use of marijuana.


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    Important reviews
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    AIDS/HIV
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    Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
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    ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
    Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
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    Alzheimer's Disease
    Alzheimer's Disease
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    Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
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    Cancer
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    Crohns Disease
    Gastrointestinal Disorders
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    Endocannabinoid sysytem
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    Endocrine disease, diabetes
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    Fibromyalgia
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    Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
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    Fibromyalgia
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    Glaucoma
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    Hepatitis C
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    Muscle Spasms
    Dystonia
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    Nausea
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    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Pain
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
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    Chronic Pain
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
    “Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
    Post traumatic Stress Disorder
    Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
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    Public policy
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    Seizures
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    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
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    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #174 on: March 23, 2022, 02:24:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on March 23, 2022, 12:42:41 AM
    http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/medical/brain_death_and_organ_harvesting.htm
    I understand that he did not practice medicine, except as a student.
    Not to say he "flunked out of med school" or "dabbled in quackery., merely that he did not continue in medicine for the body but medicine for the soul.

    I wonder how early he dropped out.
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