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Offline Gray2023

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Our insignificance
« on: June 16, 2024, 06:39:03 AM »
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  • I just looked at how many Catholic priests are outside Rome.  Do you you realize it is less than 1500 (that is just a rough estimate,  it is probably less)?  This number includes 700 SSPX priests.

    Rome (Novus Ordo) has 407000 priests (112 are FSSP)
    Just food for thought.

    Note: numbers based on 2022 records.

    What difference can we even make?
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #1 on: June 16, 2024, 08:19:22 AM »
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  • It makes me treasure the great and rare pearl that we have in our Independent Traditional priest.
    What a tremendous gift!


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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #2 on: June 16, 2024, 09:13:21 AM »
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  • I just looked at how many Catholic priests are outside Rome.  Do you you realize it is less than 1500 (that is just a rough estimate,  it is probably less)?  This number includes 700 SSPX priests.

    Rome (Novus Ordo) has 407000 priests (112 are FSSP)
    Just food for thought.

    Note: numbers based on 2022 records.

    What difference can we even make?
    What difference can we make?

    We can honor God with the sacrifice of Abel rather than Cain. 

    We can grow in faith, and love, thanks to the traditional doctrine of the Church--rather than slide into the indifference and error guaranteed by novel doctrine. 

    We can give our children sure footing and secure foundations, again thanks to unchanging traditional doctrine and principles. Instead of a perennial game of simon-says contradictions from usurpers and tyrants, sure to confuse and destabilize minds. 

    What other differences would you like to make? The hour is late and much damage has been done. Make differences for yourself and your own, God will take care of the rest--miraculously or slowly, but if you don't look to what is in your control then don't even expect the smallest of changes or improvements. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #3 on: June 16, 2024, 09:22:00 AM »
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  • I just looked at how many Catholic priests are outside Rome.  Do you you realize it is less than 1500 (that is just a rough estimate,  it is probably less)?  This number includes 700 SSPX priests.

    Rome (Novus Ordo) has 407000 priests (112 are FSSP)
    Just food for thought.

    Note: numbers based on 2022 records.

    What difference can we even make?
    The odds are impossible. Though we try, this whole crisis is really beyond any conventional understanding.
    When the tide turns, and it will, and the victory come, it will be all the more glorious for its impossibility. And it will be clear that the victory is from God, and not due to the strength and cleverness of men.

    Gedeon is a good example to study for our times: https://drbo.org/chapter/07007.htm
    “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.”
     M.-L. von Franz

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #4 on: June 16, 2024, 09:40:00 AM »
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  • I just looked at how many Catholic priests are outside Rome.  Do you you realize it is less than 1500 (that is just a rough estimate,  it is probably less)?  This number includes 700 SSPX priests.

    Rome (Novus Ordo) has 407000 priests (112 are FSSP)
    Just food for thought.

    Note: numbers based on 2022 records.

    What difference can we even make?

    With God in charge, numbers mean absolutely nothing! There were only a handful of men when the Church started on Pentecost. Frankly, in these latter times, it makes me feel stronger.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2024, 09:40:41 AM »
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  • The odds are impossible. Though we try, this whole crisis is really beyond any conventional understanding.
    When the tide turns, and it will, and the victory come, it will be all the more glorious for its impossibility. And it will be clear that the victory is from God, and not due to the strength and cleverness of men.

    Gedeon is a good example to study for our times: https://drbo.org/chapter/07007.htm

    Great post!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #6 on: June 16, 2024, 09:41:35 AM »
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  • What difference can we make?

    We can honor God with the sacrifice of Abel rather than Cain.

    We can grow in faith, and love, thanks to the traditional doctrine of the Church--rather than slide into the indifference and error guaranteed by novel doctrine.

    We can give our children sure footing and secure foundations, again thanks to unchanging traditional doctrine and principles. Instead of a perennial game of simon-says contradictions from usurpers and tyrants, sure to confuse and destabilize minds.

    What other differences would you like to make? The hour is late and much damage has been done. Make differences for yourself and your own, God will take care of the rest--miraculously or slowly, but if you don't look to what is in your control then don't even expect the smallest of changes or improvements.

    Good post!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2024, 09:58:59 AM »
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  • The traditionalist chapels are generally not overflowing with people. There are probably enough traditional priests for those who seek them. It's the number of faithful catholics which leave much to be desired


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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2024, 10:33:39 AM »
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  • The traditionalist chapels are generally not overflowing with people. There are probably enough traditional priests for those who seek them. It's the number of faithful catholics which leave much to be desired
    All the more reason to hold onto those missals!  

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2024, 12:01:56 PM »
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  • I just looked at how many Catholic priests are outside Rome.  Do you you realize it is less than 1500 (that is just a rough estimate,  it is probably less)?  This number includes 700 SSPX priests.

    Rome (Novus Ordo) has 407000 priests (112 are FSSP)
    Just food for thought.

    Note: numbers based on 2022 records.

    What difference can we even make?
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    Judges Chapter 7: 1 Then Jerobaal, who is the same as Gedeon, rising up early and all the people with him, came to the fountain that is called Harad. Now the camp of Madian was in the valley on the north side of the high hill.  2 And the Lord said to Gedeon: The people that are with thee are many, and Madian shall not be delivered into their hands: lest Israel should glory against me, and say: I was delivered by my own strength.  3 Speak to the people, and proclaim in the hearing of all, Whosoever is fearful and timorous, let him return. So two and twenty thousand men went away from mount Galaad and returned home, and only ten thousand remained.  4 And the Lord said to Gedeon: The people are still too many, bring them to the waters, and there I will try them: and of whom I shall say to thee, This shall go with thee, let him go: whom I shall forbid to go, let him return.  5 And when the people were come down to the waters, the Lord said to Gedeon: They that shall lap the water with their tongues, as dogs are wont to lap, thou shalt set apart by themselves: but they that shall drink bowing down their knees, shall be on the other side.

    6 And the number of them that had lapped water, casting it with the hand to their mouth, was three hundred men: and all the rest of the multitude had drunk kneeling. 7 And the Lord said to Gedeon: By the three hundred men, that lapped water, I will save you, and deliver Madian into thy hand: but let all the rest of the people return to their place. 8 So taking victuals and trumpets according to their number, he ordered all the rest of the multitude to depart to their tents: and he with the three hundred gave himself to the battle. Now the camp of Madian was beneath him in the valley.  9 The same night the Lord said to him: Arise, and go down into the camp: because I have delivered them into thy hand.  10 But if thou be afraid to go alone, let Phara thy servant go down with thee.

    11 And when thou shalt hear what they are saying, then shall thy hands be strengthened, and thou shalt go down more secure to the enemies' camp. And he went down with Phara his servant into part of the camp, where was the watch of men in arms.  12 But Madian and Amalec, and all the eastern people lay scattered in the valley, as a multitude of locusts: their camels also were innumerable as the sand that lieth on the sea shore.  13 And when Gedeon was come, one told his neighbour a dream: and in this manner related what he had seen: I dreamt a dream, and it seemed to me as if a hearth cake of barley bread rolled and came down into the camp of Madian: and when it was come to a tent it struck it, and beat it down flat to the ground.  14 He to whom he spoke, answered: This is nothing else but the sword of Gedeon the son of Joas a man of Israel. For the Lord hath delivered Madian, and all their camp into his hand.  15 And when Gedeon had heard the dream, and the interpretation thereof, he adored: and returned to the camp of Israel, and said: Arise, for the Lord hath delivered the camp of Madian into our hands.

    16 And he divided the three hundred men into three parts, and gave them trumpets in their hands, and empty pitchers, and lamps within the pitchers.  17 And he said to them: What you shall see me do, do you the same: I will go into one part of the camp, and do you as I shall do.  18 When the trumpet shall sound in my hand, do you also blow the trumpets on every side of the camp.  19 And Gedeon, and the three hundred men that were with him, went into part of the camp, at the beginning of the midnight watch, and the watchmen being alarmed, they began to sound their trumpets, and to clap the pitchers one against another.  20 And when they sounded their trumpets in three places round about the camp, and had broken their pitchers, they held their lamps in their left hands, and with their right hands the trumpets which they blew, and they cried out: The sword of the Lord and of Gedeon;

    21 Standing every man in his place round about the enemies' camp. So all the camp was troubled, and crying out and howling they fled away.  22 And the three hundred men nevertheless persisted sounding the trumpets. And the Lord sent the sword into all the camp, and they killed one another,  23 Fleeing as far as Bethsetta, and the border of Abelmahula in Tebbath. But the men of Israel shouting from Nephtali and Aser, and from all Manasses pursued after Madian.  24 And Gedeon sent messengers into all mount Ephraim, saying: Come down to meet Madian, and take the waters before them to Bethbera and the Jordan. And all Ephraim shouted, and took the waters before them and the Jordan as far as Bethbera.  25 And having taken two men of Madian, Oreb and Zeb: Oreb they slew in the rock of Oreb, and Zeb in the winepress of Zeb. And they pursued Madian, carrying the heads of Oreb and Zeb to Gedeon beyond the waters of the Jordan.


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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2024, 05:05:27 PM »
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  • What difference can we make?

    We can honor God with the sacrifice of Abel rather than Cain.

    We can grow in faith, and love, thanks to the traditional doctrine of the Church--rather than slide into the indifference and error guaranteed by novel doctrine.

    We can give our children sure footing and secure foundations, again thanks to unchanging traditional doctrine and principles. Instead of a perennial game of simon-says contradictions from usurpers and tyrants, sure to confuse and destabilize minds.

    What other differences would you like to make? The hour is late and much damage has been done. Make differences for yourself and your own, God will take care of the rest--miraculously or slowly, but if you don't look to what is in your control then don't even expect the smallest of changes or improvements.
    Thank you.  Sometimes I go through dark periods.  Your words are a good reminder that the little steps we take in our life do matter.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #11 on: June 16, 2024, 05:06:26 PM »
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  • It makes me treasure the great and rare pearl that we have in our Independent Traditional priest.
    What a tremendous gift!
    Yes.  We have to treasure the rare pearls out there.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2024, 05:07:27 PM »
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  • With God in charge, numbers mean absolutely nothing! There were only a handful of men when the Church started on Pentecost. Frankly, in these latter times, it makes me feel stronger.
    Yes. Always remember God is in charge.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2024, 05:10:44 PM »
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  • The traditionalist chapels are generally not overflowing with people. There are probably enough traditional priests for those who seek them. It's the number of faithful catholics which leave much to be desired
    I guess it is up to the few to say more rosaries and try to get to as many Masses to receive Our Lord as possible.  I think I am beginning to really understand St John Bosco's vision.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Our insignificance
    « Reply #14 on: June 16, 2024, 05:17:40 PM »
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  • Gedeon gives me hope.  Thank you.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine