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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #30 on: Today at 05:19:06 PM »
Quote from: Michelle on Today at 03:33:52 PM
Saints are not made in a day.  God gives us time to learn and adjust our thinking and actions to His will.  The majority of souls that convert today do not jump from wearing modern clothes back to 1800's standards immediately. 
We are currently reading the life of Father Marquette and his mission to the native Indians.  Even though many were converted and baptized easily, their bad habits, including their dress code or lack thereof, took many years. 
Pope Pius XI's standards are not 1800s standards. Even in the 1910s, it was fashionable to have the entire body covered to the ankles and wrists. 

St. Philip Neri tolerated venial sin in his penitents on the condition that this toleration would be conducive to their salvation. He never tolerated mortal sin. Running around like wild Indians in the nude is not a venial sin. 

Are you implying it takes a saint to obey the Pope in these matters of modesty? Your standards are truly not the standards of the Church:

From Pope Pius XI's Instruction Concerning the Immodest Dress of Women, 1930:

9. Girls and women who wear immodest dress shall be denied Holy Communion, and shall not be admitted as sponsors at Baptism and Confirmation, and, if needs be, shall be stopped from entering any church.

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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #31 on: Today at 05:23:44 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on Today at 05:09:12 PM


And a heart turned toward God will take the steps to cover up.

Most churches have a sign that says let the priest handle the modesty question, why do you think that is?
At a traditional chapel I was visiting in the past, the priest asked me and other women to let him know if there were women not properly dressed, and to tell women, on his behalf (should he not be around for some reason), not to enter the chapel if they were very immodest, such as dressed in leggings for example.

This forum is not a chapel, modesty applies everywhere and not only the chapel, and I am conveying to everyone on this forum, out of charity, what the Church teaches on the matter. I am not making anything up.
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Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #32 on: Today at 05:25:42 PM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 04:53:46 PM
The only grace that is needed for a woman to not dress like a whore, is a man in her life who will put her in her place in this matter.

And shame on any man who waters down these principles. You are a traitor to your brothers in Christ.
And where are these men?  The priests place signs in their chapels, but how many actually address the issue with a woman?  The fathers don't want to push back on the wife and daughters desire to fit in.  So maybe the men need the graces to get into fights with other men to get their women to cover up?

Is that the answer? Should we go around and humiliate people?

Some will say yes and some will say no.  It will work for some and send others to hell. 

Maybe we need to be better equipped to do what needs to be done in the moment and let the Holy Ghost guide us.  Accept to hear the Holy Ghost, we need to conquer self.

Women should cover up and show joy,  so that other women will want what they have.  Men should be extra complimentary to the women who are dressed well and open doors for her, and such  so other women want the attention.  I don't know, these are just random suggestions.
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Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #33 on: Today at 05:44:55 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Today at 05:23:44 PM
At a traditional chapel I was visiting in the past, the priest asked me and other women to let him know if there were women not properly dressed, and to tell women, on his behalf (should he not be around for some reason), not to enter the chapel if they were very immodest, such as dressed in leggings for example.

This forum is not a chapel, modesty applies everywhere and not only the chapel, and I am conveying to everyone on this forum, out of charity, what the Church teaches on the matter. I am not making anything up.
That might be true, but your manner in delivering the message is off putting.  I know you are not making things up, but as you can see this is a very emotional issue and will take time for people to adjust to.  Pray and be patient.  We, as a society, have fallen so far away from modesty, that it is going to take time to get back on the correct page.

This is only a forum.  We can't tell how others are dressing.  I think all the women here try to dress as modestly as possible, but some of us know that new people are watching and if they see such hostility over the topic they will quit before they even begin.
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Offline FarmerWife

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Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #34 on: Today at 05:52:20 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Today at 03:21:20 PM
Concocting principles to follow from one's personal experience and attachments is a good explanation?
Explain. 
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