Author Topic: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty (Read 1094 times)

Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #25 on:** **Yesterday** at 03:32:59 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on Yesterday at 04:14:58 AM

Can somebody find what a Pope said about the necklines of women's dress in France during the 18th century? Look at portraits of Queen Marie Antoinette.

Women, especially, have a hard time going against the trends of the age. Maybe it takes a special grace these days to dress with the standards mentioned above.

The Pope is not required to make a declaration on every moral question, much less on what we all know from the law of God written on our hearts, and from the Catechism. Modesty is one of those laws written upon the hearts of all.

It is grace that enables us to do any good at all, whether male or female. If a woman finds it difficult to dress modestly, she must pray for the strength to obey God in His command through the Pope. St. Alphonsus (relying on Scripture, Church Fathers, etc.) teaches that all graces we receive from God are only obtained through prayer, with the exception of certain special graces such as the grace of the Faith and conversion. Hence, there is no excuse.

“In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin.”
— Ecclesiasticus 7:40

Michelle · « **Reply #26 on:** **Yesterday** at 03:33:52 PM »

Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Yesterday at 03:19:05 PM

Actually it is that simple. Modesty is a virtue that pertains to the natural Law, which is written upon the hearts of all without exception, including non Catholics. If anyone finds it difficult to submit to the teachings of the Church on this matter or to cover up in general, that is due to darkness present in the soul due to sin and the effects of sin. I'm glad you mentioned paganism, let us see how Pius XI compliments women from pagan Rome against modern women:

POPE PIUS XI, commenting on the public exhibition of women's sports in Rome, 1928:

"After twenty centuries of Christianity, there is shown less regard for the sensibility and delicacy of young women and girls than was shown even in pagan Rome...Fathers, mothers and teachers who are not led astray by false or exaggerated theories or by motives divorced from good, healthy pedagogy, understand through NATURAL INSTINCT the motives of modesty due from women."

Saints are not made in a day. God gives us time to learn and adjust our thinking and actions to His will. The majority of souls that convert today do not jump from wearing modern clothes back to 1800's standards immediately.
We are currently reading the life of Father Marquette and his mission to the native Indians. Even though many were converted and baptized easily, their bad habits, including their dress code or lack thereof, took many years.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #27 on:** **Yesterday** at 04:47:16 PM »

Quote from: Michelle on Yesterday at 03:33:52 PM

Saints are not made in a day. God gives us time to learn and adjust our thinking and actions to His will. The majority of souls that convert today do not jump from wearing modern clothes back to 1800's standards immediately.
We are currently reading the life of Father Marquette and his mission to the native Indians. Even though many were converted and baptized easily, their bad habits, including their dress code or lack thereof, took many years.

You're not a saint for simply respecting the natural law.

If, in some places they were slow to adapt it was because of deep stubbornness.

I can see you are skilled in the subtle art of "missing the point".

I think only women who are neck deep in feminist thought would think one is a "saint" for simply not dressing like a whore. Probably some of the most deceptive and evil women I have known in my life dress with absolute perfect modesty. Modesty is only the beginning, not the end. You can NEVER be a saint for dressing like a whore. But by dressing modestly, you can at least start trying.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #28 on:** **Yesterday** at 04:53:46 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on Yesterday at 04:14:58 AM

Can somebody find what a Pope said about the necklines of women's dress in France during the 18th century? Look at portraits of Queen Marie Antoinette.

Women, especially, have a hard time going against the trends of the age. Maybe it takes a special grace these days to dress with the standards mentioned above.

The only grace that is needed for a woman to not dress like a whore, is a man in her life who will put her in her place in this matter.

And shame on any man who waters down these principles. You are a traitor to your brothers in Christ.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #29 on:** **Yesterday** at 05:09:12 PM »

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The Pope is not required to make a declaration on every moral question, much less on what we all know from the law of God written on our hearts, and from the Catechism. Modesty is one of those laws written upon the hearts of all.

It is grace that enables us to do any good at all, whether male or female. If a woman finds it difficult to dress modestly, she must pray for the strength to obey God in His command through the Pope. St. Alphonsus (relying on Scripture, Church Fathers, etc.) teaches that all graces we receive from God are only obtained through prayer, with the exception of certain special graces such as the grace of the Faith and conversion. Hence, there is no excuse.

“In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin.”
— Ecclesiasticus 7:40

And a heart turned toward God will take the steps to cover up.

Most churches have a sign that says let the priest handle the modesty question, why do you think that is?

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