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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2026, 06:50:47 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on March 01, 2026, 05:58:46 PM
Thought occured to me today that, generally, men have less skin exposed at mass than do women! The vast majority of men at any chapel I've been to on Sunday have only their hands, head, and some portion of the neck above a collar exposed. Meanwhile, an unfortunate % of women may have arms up to mid bicep, legs below the knee, entire neck and some distance below the neck, and even the upper back exposed..not even taking into consideration immodesty through form fitting clothing
I've heard the excuse that "we'd get too hot if we covered up more".  Yet they get cold in the office and keep shawls, sweaters, and heaters under their desks for their feet.

Make up your mind.
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2026, 08:50:52 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on March 01, 2026, 04:44:04 PM
Could you provide more context, because I have never heard of this.
Eastern Europeans would do this as they faced muslims for centuries. Muslims cant force you to convert if you have Christian symbols etched onto your body.
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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2026, 08:55:32 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 01, 2026, 08:50:52 PM
Eastern Europeans would do this as they faced muslims for centuries. Muslims cant force you to convert if you have Christian symbols etched onto your body.
Where did you read this? No one can force a conversion.
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2026, 09:15:53 PM »
I've read it was practiced in Egypt, unsure of Eastern Europeans, but from what I understand there is somewhat of a tradition of getting a small cross tattooed on the wrist. The idea being that you would not be able to deny being a Christian in times of persecution, therefore preventing the possiblity of mortally sinning in that regard..and it also served as an identification to know who to allow into Church. I haven't really looked into it that much and am unsure if it was practiced by both Coptic 'Orthodox' and Catholics, or only by the Copts 
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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2026, 10:28:57 PM »
Thanks WorldsAway, your explanation was helpful. I found something from the Catholic Encyclopedia under the article "Archdiocese of Serajevo" (Volume 13, 1912):

The Franciscan Friars alone saved the Church in Bosnia. They disguised themselves as Turks and were addressed by the Catholics as ujaci (uncle). Often they were compelled to hold services and to bury their dead at night in the woods or in caves. They lived in the direst poverty and very many of them became martyrs. The old people instructed the younger generation during the winter months in the catechism, and during Lent the Franciscans examined the pupils. Nearly all Catholics in Bosnia bore a cross tattooed on breast or hand.

Since it is a moral principle that for great works of charity one may sacrifice one's health or permit one's body to be injured (such as when the saints tended the sick who had contagious diseases), perhaps this "self-mutilation" (tattooing a cross) was permitted on account of the great persecution in Bosnia.
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