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Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2026, 02:22:56 AM »
You start well by laying out the principles
Thanks Lad!

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2026, 02:46:03 AM »
Those examples are not fashions that were prevalent at the time of "Padre Pio", who was absurdly name-dropped, without any substantiation.  I could go on forever about using Padre Pio as some "rule of faith", since not only has there never been more apocryphal material and "sayings" attributed to anyone in history more than to Padre Pio, but we go by what the Church holds and not Padre Pio.  Padre Pio had his reasons, and there were points he was making, sometimes under God's inspiration, but at other times based on his own judgment.

So, given that Padre Pio was a sensational character due to the preternatural phenomena associated with him 
What the Church holds was posted by Maria and is self-explanatory unless you care to explain it away.

Regarding Padre Pio, this is taken from this article on the Avrille Dominicans' website which is edifying reading for all:
https://dominicansavrille.us/those-who-serve-god-should-not-follow-the-fashions-part-1/

In fact, when coming to confess, if their dresses were low-cut or too short, Padre Pio would send the women away, refusing them this Sacrament. As dresses in the 60’s became scantier and scantier, he sent larger and larger numbers of women away. It finally came to pass – since he was sending so many away – that his fellow friars posted a sign on the door of the Church which read:
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“By Padre Pio’s explicit wish, women must enter the confessional wearing skirts at least 8 inches below the knee….” If those whom he refused asked why he treated them in this manner, he would answer: “Don’t you know what pain it costs me to shut the door on anyone? The Lord has forced me to do so. I do not call anyone, nor do I refuse anyone either. There is someone else who calls and refuses them. I am His useless tool9.”
Of course there is no absolute certainty that Padre Pio said this, and it might take a little more research to achieve greater moral certainty for you. It rings true to me, both as regards Padre Pio and Catholic modesty.


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Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2026, 04:14:58 AM »
Can somebody find what a Pope said about the necklines of women's dress in France during the 18th century?  Look at portraits of Queen Marie Antoinette. 

Women, especially, have a hard time going against the trends of the age.  Maybe it takes a special grace these days to dress with the standards mentioned above.

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2026, 03:19:05 PM »
It's not so simple today in the re-paganized world. 
I did not grow up as a traditional Catholic.  We wore tube-tops, cut off jean shorts, two piece bathing suits, the modern day attire.
In my late twenties, by the grace of God, I was converted to the traditional Catholic faith.  Actually, the first traditional Mass I attended with my sister I wore blue jeans and a "shop till you drop" sweat shirt.  Bishop Williamson happened to be there that day.  We were both so excited because this was the Mass that we only ever read about in the lives of the saints.
Coming from the world, we had no idea of modest dress.  Of course I saw what people were wearing to Mass and I started to dress in longer skirts for Sunday but did not know there was some standard for everyday.  It took about 10 years before I decided not to wear pants anymore but most Catholic women wear pants during the week.  Those two pictures Ladislaus posted are far more modest than most people wear today.  Of course, in the days of Christendom that would have been totally unacceptable but we have reverted back to paganism and have to pull society back to Christ and His standards.
Actually it is that simple. Modesty is a virtue that pertains to the natural Law, which is written upon the hearts of all without exception, including non Catholics. If anyone finds it difficult to submit to the teachings of the Church on this matter or to cover up in general, that is due to darkness present in the soul due to sin and the effects of sin. I'm glad you mentioned paganism, let us see how Pius XI compliments women from pagan Rome against modern women:

POPE PIUS XI, commenting on the public exhibition of women's sports in Rome, 1928:

"After twenty centuries of Christianity, there is shown less regard for the sensibility and delicacy of young women and girls than was shown even in pagan Rome...Fathers, mothers and teachers who are not led astray by false or exaggerated theories or by motives divorced from good, healthy pedagogy, understand through NATURAL INSTINCT the motives of modesty due from women."

Re: Origin of Marylike Standards of Modesty
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2026, 03:21:20 PM »
Good explanation.
Concocting principles to follow from one's personal experience and attachments is a good explanation?