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« on: September 26, 2012, 10:53:14 AM »
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  • I remember Father Bolduc bringing in a doctor that talked about how organ harvesting is a multi billion dollar industry, and how people are never really dead when it occurs. Please take a moment to read this story about this lawsuit now being brought in this regard. Father was very much against organ donation.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/organ_ghouls_of_doom_suit_LxCZMP5uRGgI6yn3ywMN9J

    Organs taken from patients that doctors were pressured to declare brain dead: suit

        By JAMIE SCHRAM Police Bureau Chief
        Last Updated: 7:43 AM, September 26, 2012
        Posted: 1:17 AM, September 26, 2012

    The New York Organ Donor Network pressured hospital staffers to declare patients brain dead so their body parts could be harvested — and even hired “coaches” to train staffers how to be more persuasive, a bombshell lawsuit charged yesterday.

    The federally funded nonprofit used a “quota” system, and leaned heavily on the next of kin to sign consent forms when patients were not registered as organ donors, the suit charged.

    They’re playing God,” said plaintiff Patrick McMahon, 50, an Air Force combat veteran and nurse practitioner who claims he was fired as a transplant coordinator after just four months for protesting the practice.

    The suit, filed in Manhattan Supreme Court, cited four examples of improper organ harvesting.

    In September 2011, a 19-year-old man injured in a car wreck was admitted to Nassau University Medical Center. He was still trying to breathe and showed signs of brain activity, the suit charged.

    But doctors declared him brain dead under pressure from donor-network officials, including Director Michael Goldstein, who allegedly said during a conference call: “This kid is dead, you got that?” the suit charged.

    The patient’s family consented to have the organs harvested.

    “I have been in Desert Storm, Iraq and Afghanistan in combat. I worked on massive brain injuries, trauma, gunshot wounds, IEDs. I have seen worse cases than this and the victims recover,” McMahon told The Post.

    That same month, a woman was admitted to St. Barnabas Hospital in The Bronx still showing signs of life, the suit said.

    She had a kidney transplant earlier in life and network officials used that to pressure her daughter into giving consent.

    “They say to her, ‘If you give us permission we will use your mother’s organs and we will help many, many people who need them,’ ” he said.

    McMahon’s objections were ignored by a neurologist, who declared her brain dead — and her organs were harvested, according to the suit. McMahon even claims he tried to get a second opinion.

    A month later, a man was admitted to Kings County Hospital in Brooklyn, again showing brain activity, the suit said. McMahon claims his protests were again blown off by hospital and donor-network staff, and the man was declared brain dead and his organs harvested.

    In November 2011, a woman admitted to Staten Island University Hospital after a drug overdose was declared brain dead and her organs were about to be harvested when McMahon noticed that she was being given “a paralyzing anesthetic” because her body was still jerking.

    When he objected, another network employee told hospital personnel McMahon was “an untrained troublemaker with a history of raising frivolous issues and questions,” the suit charged.

    “I had a reputation for raising a red flag,” he said.

    In order to harvest organs, the network needs a “Note” — an official declaration by a hospital that a patient is brain dead — and consent from next of kin.

    The network hired marketing and sales professionals to “coach” workers to tailor their pitches based on the family’s demographics, said the suit, filed by McMahon’s lawyers Michael Borrelli, Alexander Coleman and Bennitta Joseph.

    The suit said that on Nov. 4, McMahon told Helen Irving, president and CEO of the network, “one in five patients declared brain dead show signs of brain activity at the time the Note is issued.”

    Irving, the suit said, replied: “This is how things are done.”

    Network spokeswoman Julia Rivera said she hadn’t seen the suit, but noted that only doctors can declare a patient brain dead.

    She called McMahon’s claims of a quota system “ridiculous. There are no quotas.”

    A Staten Island University Hospital spokeswoman declined comment. Reps for the other three hospitals could not immediately be reached.

    Additional reporting by Bob Fredericks

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/organ_ghouls_of_doom_suit_LxCZMP5uRGgI6yn3ywMN9J
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    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 05:48:48 AM »
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  • this is scary and this situation needs our prayers -  
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    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 06:03:08 AM »
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  • I brought this topic up just a month ago. Read here:Organ Donation email received from Randy Engel  

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20256&min=5&num=5


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    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 06:16:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    this is scary and this situation needs our prayers -  
     :pray: :pray: :pray:


    Poche, that is the third time in a row tonight that I have read this comment. Yes, prayer is needed in all circumstances, but prayer is not enough, unless you are parylised or bedwritten or something of similar nature.

    It is necessary to ACT on this. At times I have handed out explanatory pamphlets explaining exactly what brain death and organ donation means in reality. I give them to young people working at the check-out as I go through. Most are surprised to receive it, and many have never thought about it. It is important that people be informed as there are many altruistic people out there who can be easily taken in, without thinking about the implications.

    Organ donation, per se, is not an evil, but it can be performed immorally. Some organ harvesters are murderers.

    Brain death is NOT death. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2009/feb/09022604

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    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 06:24:28 AM »
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  • Every American, especially young adults, needs to carry an opt-out card signed by two witnesses in their wallet or purse .... And as the familiar ad says .... Don't leave home without it. Your life or that of your loved one may depend upon it.

    Read why here: Don't give your heart away -- know the facts about vital organ transplantation

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel/110321


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    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 02:04:18 PM »
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  • so, then, no organ donations at all, ever? or more study needed??? Seems to be what she is implying, but not 100% clear on that.....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 02:30:59 PM »
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  • A friend of mine is an anesthesiologist. I was telling him my concerns about
    organ transplants, especially hearts, and his response to me was, "Okay, then,
    when your time comes and
    you need a heart transplant, we'll be sure to
    remind you that you can't have one."
    (with a sophistry chuckle that doctors
    learn how to make in medical school)






    Another friend had a little son who drowned in the pool, and the medics went to great
    lengths to keep his heart beating for two days, as the counselors gave the parents
    several opportunities to capitulate to the organ donation thingy. They did not.
    When the nurse removed the apparatus that was keeping him breathing and stuff,
    his little heart took about a half hour to slow down to a faint, sporadic blip.

    He had a very strong heart, poor little guy. If he had not already been baptized,
    there was plenty of time for that. As it is now, we have a new saint in the community.
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    « Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 02:41:44 PM »
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  • Over heard a lady other night when eating out smugly talking about injecting "non productive" people-those elderly, sick or in need of organs.

    Made the wife really feel great, she is 11+ yrs out from getting a heart transplant and struggled, as most receipiants do, with guilt for a long time, intellectually knowing they did not murder someone, but feeling guilty none the less for someone else being dead. was hard and good in some ways, getting letter from family, a picture (she carries of her donor, in her wallet). Visited her grave a few yrs ago. You get on a list and when someone matches you, you either say yes or no.......and a lifetime of powerful drugs that are costly and in the end, kill other parts of your body. You prepare for death, but also, want to live for your family. We have known some people that feel it is also sinful to take blood, though mostly, no life/death situations involved, but possibly, could be or tainted blood allowed under lying,etc.

    Anymore, I would not get on a list likely, though I am Chief Bread Winner and health care provider (on my death, wife would be un-insured or have to go on welfare, could not get a policy on her own...what Nadie would call a lazy slacker)
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    « Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 05:14:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    so, then, no organ donations at all, ever? or more study needed??? Seems to be what she is implying, but not 100% clear on that.....


    Does that "she" refer to me? Assuming that it is me, as I wrote in the other post  
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    However it is impossible to transplant a heart from a person who is dead. The "donor" must be living, the heart must be beating and stopped. Stopping a heart means killing the donor.


    and about the morality of transplants:

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    organs can be donated only after the donor is dead. That’s not exactly as you have expressed it.

    I did not advocate stopping organ donation entirely nor has the idea even crossed my mind.
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    much more study needed.....
    Yes indeed! You could start here:
    http://www.lifeguardianfoundation.org/
    http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/OrganDonorsBeware.htm


    I did not know at the time that you had such an intimate experience of heart donation. Your wife received the heart without knowing what it entailed and so bears no guilt for that. But the fact is that that heart had to stopped by the transplant surgeon and restarted in her.

    Obviously your wife feels very deeply and has suffered through that experience and still suffers today. God sees into the heart and knows her goodness and her good faith with which she received that heart and how she remembers the donor.

    Naturally this is a very painful topic for you and your wife. But it is very important that others, and especially the young, be informed of the facts and morality of organ donation and the dangers of signing a document which may mean their own death. Here are some reputable sites on same:  
    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=20515
    http://www.chninternational.com/brain_death_is_not_death_byrne_paul_md.html


     

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