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Offline Emile

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    • EUGENICS
    Getting killed to donate organs, euthanasia runs fast
    Euthanasia candidates and organ donors: the so-called "euthanasia of the good Samaritan" is already practiced in Belgium, the Netherlands and Canada, but a scientific article explains how the possibilities of this practice will widen to increase the availability of organs to be removed:

    -above all by providing for the start of the euthanasia process at home to facilitate potential donors;

    -then focusing on the mentally ill and depressed: healthy and young bodies, excellent for transplantation, of little use in an insane person.
     

    - CANADA, FIRST EUGENETIC STATE , by Luca Volontè


    It has been practiced for years, especially in Belgium, the Netherlands and Canada. We could call it the euthanasia of the good Samaritan. It is about this: the patient asks for euthanasia treatment and then lets it be known that he will donate his organs.
    Euthanasia in some countries runs so fast that there is no longer any discussion about whether "sweet death" is ethically acceptable or not, there is no longer any discussion about whether euthanasia followed by transplantation does not become euthanasia for the purpose of transplantation, with relative nudges to the future de cuius so that he decides to kick the bucket for the good of humanity. No, now the focus of the discussion has moved far beyond: are these good Samaritans good to die at home or in the hospital? Are the hot-harvested organs of better quality following the first or second protocol?
    The scientific journal Jama Surgey published an article on this topic last February entitled: " Post-euthanasia organ donation started at home is practicable". The authors, Johan Sonneveld and Johannes Mulder, describe the protocol of euthanasia at home in view of a subsequent transplant: «The patient is sedated only at home, which marks the beginning of euthanasia in legal terms, but he has medical purpose only to remove consciousness while vital functions are maintained and protected. The induction of the coma and the onset of the agonic phase occur subsequently in the intensive care unit after the farewells at home and the transport ». How much care is taken in killing people: that everything happens in compliance with the law, the affections and the clinical purposes aimed at preserving precious organs to be explanted.
    Then the article turns towards pietism, one of the basic ingredients of the euthanasia ideology: "Suggesting that euthanasia should take place in the hospital does not take into account the deepest desires of these donors: sick, hospital-weary human beings who have decided to put an end to their pain in the comfort and intimacy of their own home ". We emphasize it again: the bone of contention is no longer "Euthanasia yes" versus "Euthanasia no", but it is where it is better to carry out the murder.
    The authors then continue as follows:"Supporting the need for a hospital stay will alienate many potential donors." We are in the midst of a marketing strategy: suppliers need to be reassured. But also the candidates for transplantation: «There is no conflict of interest […]. It is not necessary to contrast the interests of transplant patients with the interests of euthanasia donors and vice versa ». This means that the euthanasia process started at home does not damage the organs. May the transplant recipient rest assured: our organs with home procedure are of excellent quality. It is another case of reification of the person. If the unborn children are called "product of conception" these people can be referred to as "product of euthanasia". The patient is seen as a living warehouse of precious organs.As happens with aborted fetuses at Planned Parenthood clinics: first killed and then stolen of their organs for sale. Doctors then become organ vampires, headhunters, heart and lungs.
    Finally, the closing of the abstract offers the figure of how much the culture of death has reached such high degrees that, in some minds, it has now managed to overturn the objective order of values. The authors in fact support the at home procedure and therefore encourage everyone to follow it with these words: «We can do better. Our patients deserve better ». Patients do not deserve to live, but to be killed and emptied properly. The best, the notorious best interest is getting killed to donate organs. And so, cloaked in the modest and thick garment of philanthropy that covers every filth, euthanasia is encouraged.
    The most attractive candidates for the euthanasia of the Good Samaritan are the mentally ill and the depressed: healthy organs in fragile minds. You can't ask for anything better. Healthy and young bodies, not affected by tumors or senescence, particularly suitable for transplantation. It is easy to foresee an incentive to kill these people: those organs - so it will be argued - are of little use in an insane or depressed person. Better to give them to those who can make the best use of them. In short, the usual utilitarianism sold, in this case, as if it were charity.

    “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.”
     M.-L. von Franz

    Offline Bonaventure

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #1 on: June 15, 2021, 03:24:09 PM »
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  • From my post at this link.

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    Here's a little blurb from this article:



    A couple of years ago I attended a talk on this subject by some old and wise doctor who, based upon Catholic principles, was adamantly opposed to organ donation (regardless of the Church's present stance on it).  Essentially, he pointed to the high rate of organ refusal by the recipient, concluding that for the most part, God did not intend us to be swapping organs with one another.  It was also at this time that I learned that, despite what I was told when I signed up to be a donor when getting my license, organ donors had to be alive.... at least from a blood circulatory sense... in order to harvest organs.  Once blood circulation stops, doctors have between 3 and 5 minutes to harvest the organ, otherwise it is "dead" tissue and can not be used in any transplant.  So, if you have "donor" on your license, and you're in the hospital and things aren't looking too good... maybe you're in a coma, maybe you're "brain dead"* but still showing some activity, how much trust are you going to put into your doctor who may be looking at you with $ signs in his eyes?  Don't you think there may be an incentive to "pull the plug" prematurely if they can harvest your organs immediately prior to doing so?

    So.... going back to the example of the 'murdered' donating organs (not including murdered babies in the womb), but none of them are ever organ donors. Not unless they had a doctor standing over them when they were "murdered"! (Probably happens in ƈhıną a lot).  Same thing with car accident victims, etc.  

    * I also recall this doctor saying that there was no such thing as being "brain dead" and that that was a term that had come into the lexicon primarily to further organ harvesting.


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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #2 on: June 15, 2021, 03:25:18 PM »
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  • Organ harvesting from the living is done in Commie China -- especially from political enemies, minority groups, and other persecuted groups.
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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2021, 03:58:09 PM »
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  • I made a point of refusing the donor dot on my license once I learned about how "brain death" is a myth and the basics of the hylomorphic nature of man. Essentially, they're waiting for that window where the soul hasn't yet left the body, because once it does, the body instantaneously begins to decay. An interesting proof for hylomorphism, but an abominable practice. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #4 on: June 15, 2021, 04:11:01 PM »
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  • Dr. Byrne has made this topic his mission in life. Here's his website and one talk that he gave:

    https://lifeguardianfoundation.org/default.html



    “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.”
     M.-L. von Franz


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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2021, 04:22:51 PM »
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  • ^— That’s the doctor who I saw speak on the subject.

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #6 on: June 15, 2021, 04:24:56 PM »
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  • I made a point of refusing the donor dot on my license
    When I did that the clerk gave me a really, really disgusted look and snarled/shrieked "you WANT TO OPT OUT OF BEING AN ORGAN DONOR"? I replied in an even louder voice "YES I DO!!"
    That was the most fun I've ever had at the DMV. :laugh1:
    “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.”
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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #7 on: June 15, 2021, 04:32:54 PM »
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  • When I did that the clerk gave me a really, really disgusted look and snarled/shrieked "you WANT TO OPT OUT OF BEING AN ORGAN DONOR"? I replied in an even louder voice "YES I DO!!"
    That was the most fun I've ever had at the DMV. :laugh1:
    Haha wow, she reacted as though you said you want to kill the unborn or the elderly...oh, wait.  :laugh2:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #8 on: June 15, 2021, 04:43:07 PM »
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  • ^— That’s the doctor who I saw speak on the subject.
    He's the kind of person and doctor the world needs more of!
    When looking at his website just now I see many of his videos have been scrubbed. I think I'll spend some time searching and archiving what is still available.
    “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.”
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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #9 on: June 15, 2021, 05:26:39 PM »
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  • He's the kind of person and doctor the world needs more of!
    When looking at his website just now I see many of his videos have been scrubbed. I think I'll spend some time searching and archiving what is still available.
    He's a good man and doctor, indeed. This site has his essays going back to 2008:
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/byrne

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #10 on: June 15, 2021, 05:40:10 PM »
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  • Organ harvesting from the living is done in Commie ƈhıną -- especially from political enemies, minority groups, and other persecuted groups.
    Organ harvesting from the living is done(since 1967) in ....
     South Africa, Australia, Britain, USA, everywhere that there are heart transplants.  
    And now, with all this cardiomyelitis in the youth rearing its ugly head, there's going to be more murder, murder, murder.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #11 on: June 15, 2021, 06:48:59 PM »
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  • Father Kevin Robinson told us to never sign up to be organ donors because if the doctors get a hold of you they will kill you for your organs.
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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #12 on: June 15, 2021, 08:06:00 PM »
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  • Wait you have to opt out? My drivers license doesn't have the little indicator though. Isn't that docuмentation?

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2021, 07:40:31 AM »
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  • Very ironic. Was planning on making a thread asking about this. My worry is about the doctors doing satanic rituals rather than donating the organs. I would probably be fine with it if I knew my organs would be donated and used properly without killing me quicker. My mom made me an organ doner even though I don't want to be.
    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

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    Re: Organ "donation" --- the waking nightmare that is our world
    « Reply #14 on: June 17, 2021, 03:13:46 AM »
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  • Very ironic. Was planning on making a thread asking about this. My worry is about the doctors doing satanic rituals rather than donating the organs. I would probably be fine with it if I knew my organs would be donated and used properly without killing me quicker. My mom made me an organ doner even though I don't want to be.
    Aren't you old enough to speak for yourself and get yourself off the "donor" list? A "donor" is not a donor but a sacrifice.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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