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Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2023, 03:38:51 PM »
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  • Of all his offenses, Wojtyla the Worst most offended me when, in his poison pen on the Rosary, he was so proud of his wonderful self that he explained that he was perfecting the Christology of the Rosary.  Such ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian gall to pretend that miserable actor could perfect what Heaven gave us!!!


     It is no mere accident that ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian chose to name them "luminous."  Occultists, including Kabbalists, are obsessed with "luminosity." You know, as in… "the light bearer" himself, Lucifer!

    Jєωs love their inside jokes and gematria.

    This is the perfect explanation for understanding JPII’s Rosary.

    Do we know who Wojtyla’s consulting rabbi was? 

    Just think about how comical it all is?  

    The jew-popes, just like Louise Ciccone (aka Madonna) planned their entertainment tours under the direction of their rabbis. 

    :jester:


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #16 on: August 25, 2023, 04:47:31 AM »
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  • Any “traditionalist” who thinks there is nothing innately wrong with this blasphemous “devotion” is not a traditionalist. I can understand a conservative NO person buying into it, but not a traditionalist.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #17 on: August 26, 2023, 04:59:47 PM »
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  • I remember John Vennari mentioning that most people pray 1/3 or 5 decades of the Rosary a day. With the Illuminati Mysteries included , 1/3 of the 20 decade Rosary would be 6.66 decades...just sayin'..

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #18 on: August 26, 2023, 08:50:02 PM »
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  • Many novus Ordo are replacing the rosary with the divine mercy chaplet. 

    Communists add and subtract.  It’s their tactics. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #19 on: August 26, 2023, 08:50:58 PM »
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  • I remember John Vennari mentioning that most people pray 1/3 or 5 decades of the Rosary a day. With the Illuminati Mysteries included , 1/3 of the 20 decade Rosary would be 6.66 decades...just sayin'..
    That’s not good. 

    Before the Rosary, St. Patrick converted Ireland to Christianity.  That’s awesome!  

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #20 on: August 26, 2023, 09:01:03 PM »
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  • And there are the Stations of the Cross. ( done mostly at Lent). 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #21 on: August 27, 2023, 04:09:53 AM »
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  • We always called them the Illuminati mysteries….

    On January 3rd, 1997, the following report appeared in The Catholic Herald, an English weekly newspaper:

    ‘The Grand Orient of Italy decided to award the Pontiff Pope John Paul II with the Order of Galileo Galilei, the highest form of recognition able to be made by Italy’s freemasons to a non-member, in recognition for his promotion of universal masonic values of fraternity, respect for the dignity of man, and the spirit of tolerance… Our intention is to pay homage to a man who, unlike his predecessors, showed himself to be extremely open-minded, rehabilitating Galileo, promoting a critical analysis of the Inquisition [etc., etc.].’--- Catholic Herald.

    Let us recall here the ‘Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita,’  otherwise known as the ‘Alta Vendita Plan’ discovered in 1820 [Galilean U-turn year], whose ultimate end is that of Voltaire and the French Revolution which speaks of working for a generation that will rejoice in having a pope ‘according to our wants’ and of a clergy who will ‘march under our banner in the belief always that they march under the banner of the Apostolic Keys.’

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #22 on: August 27, 2023, 10:58:19 AM »
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  • It certainly all fits:

    An Open Letter to Confused Catholics
    His Grace Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre


    14. "Vatican II is the French Revolution in the Church”

    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42


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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #23 on: August 27, 2023, 11:03:07 AM »
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  • The parallel I have drawn between the crisis in the Church and the French Revolution is not simply a metaphorical one. The influence of the philosophes  of the eighteenth century, and of the upheaval that they produced in the world, has continued down to our times. Those who have injected that poison into the Church admit it to themselves. It was Cardinal Suenens who exclaimed, “Vatican II is the French Revolution in the Church” and among other unguarded declarations he added “One cannot understand the French or the Russian revolutions unless one knows something of the old regimes which they brought to an end… It is the same in church affairs: a reaction can only be judged in relation to the state f things that preceded it”. What preceded, and what he considered due for abolition, was that wonderful hierarchical construction culminating in the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth. He continued: “The Second Vatican Council marked the end of an epoch; and if we stand back from it a little more we see it marked the end of a series of epochs, the end of an age”.

    Père Congar, one of the artisans of the reforms, spoke likewise:  “The Church has had, peacefully, its October Revolution.” Fully aware of what he was saying, he remarked “The Declaration on Religious Liberty states the opposite of the Syllabus.” I could quote numbers of admissions of this sort. In 1976 Fr. Gelineau, one of the party-leaders at the National Pastoral and Liturgical Centre removed all illusions from those who would like to see in the Novus Ordo something merely a little different from the rite which hitherto had been universally celebrated, but in no way fundamentally different: “The reform decided on by the Second Vatican Council was the signal for the thaw… Entire structures have come crashing down… Make no mistake about it. To translate is not to say the same thing with other words. It is to change the form. If the form changes, the rite changes. If one element is changed, the totality is altered.., of must be said, without mincing words, the Roman rite we used to know exists no more. It has been destroyed.”8

    The Catholic liberals have undoubtedly established a revolutionary situation. Here is what we read in the book written by one of them, Monsignor Prelot,9 a senator for the Doubs region of France. “We had struggled for a century and a half to bring our opinions to prevail within the Church and had not succeeded. Finally, there came Vatican Il and we triumphed. From then on the propositions and principles of liberal Catholicism have been definitively and officially accepted by Holy Church.”

    It is through the influence of this liberal Catholicism that the Revolution has been introduced under the guise of pacifism and universal brotherhood. The errors and false principles of modern man have penetrated the Church and contaminated the clergy thanks to liberal popes themselves, and under cover of Vatican II.

    It is time to come to the facts.  To begin with, I can say that in 1962 I was not opposed to the holding of a General Council. On the contrary, I welcomed it with great hopes. As present proof here is a letter I sent out in 1963 to the Holy Ghost Fathers and which has been published in one of my previous books.10 I wrote: “We  may say without hesitation, that certain liturgical reforms have been needed, and it is to be hoped that the Council will continue in this direction.” I recognized that a renewal was indispensable to bring an end to a certain sclerosis due to a gap which had developed between prayer, confined to places of worship, and the world of action-schools, the professions and public life. I was nominated a member of the Central Preparatory Commission by the pope and I took an assiduous and enthusiastic part in its two years of work.  The central commission had the responsibility of checking and examining all the preparatory schemas which came from the specialist commissions. I was in a good position therefore to know what had been done, what was to be examined, and what was to be brought before the assembly.

    This work was carried out very conscientiously and meticulously. I still possess the seventy-two preparatory schemas; in them the Church’s doctrine is absolutely orthodox. They were adapted in a certain manner to our times, but with great moderation and discretion.

    Everything was ready for the date announced and on 11th October, 1962, the Fathers took their places in the nave of St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome. But then an occurrence took place which had not been foreseen by the Holy See. From the very first days, the Council was besieged by the progressive forces. We experienced it, felt it; and when I say we, I mean the majority of the Council Fathers at that moment.

    We had the impression that something abnormal was happening and this impression was rapidly confirmed; fifteen days after the opening session not one of the seventy-two schemas remained. All had been sent back, rejected, thrown into the waste-paper basket.  This happened in the following way. It had been laid down in the Council rules that two-thirds of the votes would be needed to reject a preparatory schema. Now when it was put to the vote there were 60% against the schemas and 40% in favor. Consequently the opposition had not obtained the two-thirds, and normally the Council would have proceeded on the basis of the preparations made.

    It was then that a powerful, a very powerful organization showed its hand, set up by the Cardinals from those countries bordering the Rhine, complete with a well-organized secretariat. They went to find the Pope, John XXIII, and said to him: “This is inadmissible, Most Holy Father; they want us to consider schemas which do not have the majority,” and their plea was accepted. The immense work that had been found accomplished was scrapped and the assembly found itself empty-handed, with nothing ready. What chairman of a board meeting, however small the company, would agree to carry on without an agenda and without docuмents? Yet that is how the Council commenced.

    Then there was the affair of the Council commissions which had to be appointed. This was a difficult problem; think of the bishops arriving from all countries of the world and suddenly finding themselves together in St. Peter’s. For the most part, they did not know one another; they knew three or four colleagues and a few others by reputation out of the 2400 who were there. How could they know which of the Fathers were the most suitable to be members of the commission for the priesthood, for example, or for the liturgy, or for canon law?

    Quite lawfully, Cardinal Ottaviani distributed to each of them the list of the members of the pre-conciliar commissions, people who in consequence had been selected by the Holy See and had already worked on the subjects to be debated. That could help them to choose without there being any obligation and it was certainly to be hoped that some of these experienced men would appear in the commissions.

    But then an outcry was raised.  I don’t need to give the name of the Prince of the Church who stood up and made the following speech: “Intolerable pressure is being exerted upon the Council by giving names.  The Council Fathers must be given their liberty. Once again the Roman Curia is seeking to impose its own members.”

    This crude outspokenness was rather a shock, and the session was adjourned. That afternoon the secretary, Mgr. Felici announced, “The Holy Father recognizes that it would perhaps be better for the bishops’ conferences to meet and draw up the lists.”

    The bishops’ conferences at that time were still embryonic: they prepared as best they could the lists they had been asked for without, anyway, having been able to meet as they ought, because they had only been given twenty-four hours. But those who have woven this plot had theirs all ready with individuals specially chosen from various countries.  They were able to forestall the conferences and in actual fact they obtained a large majority.  The result was that the commissions were packed with two-thirds of the members belonging to the progressivist faction and the other third nominated by the Pope.

    New schemas were rapidly brought out, of a tendency markedly different from the earlier ones. I should one day like to publish them both so that one can make the comparison and see what was the Church's doctrine on the eve of the Council.

    Anyone who has experience of either civil or clerical meetings will understand the situation in which the Fathers found themselves. In these new schemas, although one could modify a few odd phrases or a few propositions by means of amendments, one could not change their essentials.  The consequences would be serious.  A text which is biased to begin with can never be entirely corrected. It retains the imprint of whoever drafted it and the thoughts that inspired it.  The Council from then on was slanted.  A third element contributed to steering it in a liberal direction. In place of the ten presidents of the Council who had been nominated by John XXIII, Pope Paul VI appointed for the last two sessions four moderators, of whom the least one can say is that they were not chosen among the most moderate of the cardinals. Their influence was decisive for the majority of the Council Fathers.

    The liberals constituted a minority, but an active and organized minority, supported by a galaxy of modemist theologians amongst whom we find all the names who since then have laid down the law, names like Leclerc, Murphy, Congar, Rahner, Küng, Schillebeeckx, Besret, Cardonnel, Chenu, etc.  And we must remember the enormous output of printed matter by IDOC, the Dutch Information Center, subsidized by the German and Dutch Bishops’ Conferences which all the time was urging the Fathers to act in the manner expected of them by international opinion. It created a sort of psychosis, a feeling that one must not disappoint the expectations of the world which is hoping to see the Church come round to its views. So the instigators of this movement found it easy to demand the immediate adaptation of the Church to modern man, that is to say, to the man who wants to free himself of all restraint. They made the most of a Church deemed to be sclerotic, out of date, and powerless, beating their breasts for the faults of their predecessors. Catholics were shown to be more guilty than the Protestants and Orthodox for their divisions of times past; they should beg pardon of their “separated brethren” present in Rome, where they had been invited in large numbers to take part in the activities.

    The Traditional Church having been culpable in its wealth and in its triumphalism, the Council Fathers felt guilty themselves at not being in the world and at not being of the world; they were already beginning to feel ashamed of their episcopal insignia; soon they would be ashamed to appear wearing the cassock.

    This atmosphere of liberation would soon spread to all areas. The spirit of collegiality was to be the mantle of Noah covering up the shame of wielding personal authority, so contrary to the mind of twentieth century man, shall we say, liberated man! Religious freedom, ecuмenism, theological research, and the revising of canon law would attenuate the triumphalism of a Church which declared itself to be the sole Ark of Salvation.  As one speaks of people being ashamed of their poverty, so now we have ashamed bishops, who could be influenced by giving them a bad conscience. It is a technique that has been employed in all revolutions. The consequences are visible in many places in the annals of the Council. Read again the beginning of the schema, “ The Church in the Modern World,” on the changes  in the world today, the accelerated movement of history, the new conditions affecting religious life, and the predominance of science and technology. Who can fail to see in these passages an expression of the purest liberalism?

    We would have had a splendid council by taking Pope Pius XII for our master on the subject. I do not think there is any problem of the modern world and of current affairs that he did not resolve, with all his knowledge, his theology and his holiness.  He gave almost definitive solutions, having truly seen things in the light of faith.

    But things could not be seen so when they refused to make it a dogmatic council. Vatican II was a pastoral Council; John XXIII said so, Paul VI repeated it. During the course of the sittings we several times wanted to define a concept; but we were told: “We are not here to define dogma and philosophy; we are here for pastoral purposes.” What is liberty? What is human dignity? What is collegiality? We are reduced to analyzing the statements indefinitely in order to know what they mean, and we only come up with approximations because the terms are ambiguous. And this was not through negligence or by chance. Fr. Schillebeeckx admitted it: “We have used ambiguous terms during the Council and we know how we shall interpret them afterwards.” Those people knew what they were doing.  All the other Councils that have been held during the course of the centuries were dogmatic.  All have combatted errors.  Now God knows what errors there are to be combatted in our times! A dogmatic council would have filled a great need. I remember Cardinal Wyszinsky telling us: “You must prepare a schema upon Communism; if there is a grave error menacing the world today it is indeed that. If Pius XII believed there was need of an encyclical on communism, it would also be very useful for us, meeting here in plenary assembly, to devote a schema to this question.”

    Communism, the most monstrous error ever to emerge from the mind of Satan, has official access to the Vatican. Its world-wide revolution is particularly helped by the official non-resistance of the Church and also by the frequent support it finds there, in spite of the desperate warnings of those cardinals who have suffered in several of the Eastern countries. The refusal of this pastoral council to condemn it solemnly is enough in itself to cover it with shame before the whole of history, when one thinks of the tens of millions of martyrs, of the Christians and dissidents scientifically de-personalized in psychiatric hospitals and used as human guinea-pigs in experiments.  Yet the Council kept quiet.  We obtained the signatures of 450 bishops calling for a declaration against Communism. They were left forgotten in a drawer.  When the spokesman for Gaudium et Spes replied to our questioning, he told us, “There have been two petitions calling for a condemnation of Communism.” “Two!” we cried, “there are more than 400 of them!” “Really, I know nothing about them.” On making inquiries, they were found, but it was too late.

    These events I was involved in. It is I who carried the signatures to Mgr. Felici, the Council Secretary, accompanied by Mgr. de Proenca Sigaud, Archbishop of Diamantina: and I am obliged to say there occurred things that are truly inadmissible.  I do not say this in order to condemn the Council; and I am not unaware that there is here a cause of confusion for a great many Catholics.  After all, they think the Council was inspired by the Holy Ghost.

    Not necessarily.  A non-dogmatic, pastoral council is not a recipe for infallibility. When, at the end of the sessions, we asked Cardinal Felici, “Can you not give us what the theologians call the ‘theological note of the Council?’” He replied, “We have to distinguish according to the schemas and the chapters those which have already been the subject of dogmatic definitions in the past; as for the declarations which have a novel character, we have to make reservations.”

    Vatican II therefore is not a Council like others and that is why we have the right to judge it, with prudence and reserve. I accept in this Council and in the reforms all that is in full concordance with Tradition. The Society I have founded is ample proof.  Our seminaries in particular comply with the wishes expressed by the Council and with the ratio fundamentalis of the Sacred Congregation for Catholic Education.

    But it is impossible to maintain it is only the later applications of the Council that are at fault.  The rebellion of the clergy, the defiance of pontifical authority, all the excesses in the liturgy and the new theology, and the desertion of the churches, have they nothing to do with the Council, as some have recently asserted? Let us be honest: they are its fruits!

    In saying this I realize that I merely increase the worry  and perplexity of my readers. But, however, among all this  tumult a light has shone forth capable of reducing to  nought the attempts of the world to bring Christ’s Church to an end. On June 30, 1968 the Holy Father published his Profession of Faith. It is an act which from the dogmatic point of view is more important than all the Council.

    This Credo, drawn up by the successor of Peter to affirm the faith of Peter, was an event of quite exceptional solemnity. When the Pope rose to pronounce it the Cardinals rose also and all the crowd wished to do likewise, but he made them sit down again. He wanted to be alone, as Vicar of Christ, to proclaim his Credo and he did it with the most solemn of words, in the name of the Blessed Trinity, before the holy angels and before all the Church. In consequence, he has made an act which pledges the faith of the Church.

    We have thereby the consolation and the confidence of feeling that the Holy Ghost has not abandoned us. We can say that the Act of Faith that sprang from the First Vatican Council has found its other resting point in the profession of faith of Paul VI.

    8 Demain la liturgie, ed. du Cerf.

    9 Le Catholicisme Libéral, 1969

    10 A Bishop Speaks, The Angelus Press

     
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #24 on: August 27, 2023, 11:07:02 AM »
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  • The link didn’t pull it up when I posted it; therefore, the copy/paste

    https://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/Chapter-14.htm#
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #25 on: August 27, 2023, 12:32:58 PM »
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  • I tried changing the letter “m” in the word doc-u-ments in the link, but it still didn’t work.  Anyhow, it worked in both a text and an email.  Perhaps a link for the chapter from the book can be found elsewhere as well.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42


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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #26 on: October 27, 2023, 11:01:02 AM »
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  • A topic from a while back.  I just realized this was the opening post by Cassini, but worth reading again.

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/d018rpLuminousMysteries.html

    Atila S. Guimarães

    Some of our readers are asking TIA for solid evidence that the introduction of the Luminous Mysteries by John Paul II was a progressivist initiative. They don’t agree with these new mysteries, which hurt their Catholic sense, but they don’t know how to justify their reaction. Was adding these new mysteries against the wish of Our Lady? Was it against the teaching of previous Popes?

    I will try to answer these questions and give some assistance to these readers.

    Origin of the Rosary

    No Catholic doubts that St. Dominic of Guzman had a decisive role in the dissemination of the Rosary. In the year 1214 he received a revelation from Our Lady in Toulouse, France, telling him to place the new Order of Preachers he had founded under her protection through the praying and spreading of the Rosary.

    Holy Rosary Church_Rome

    Our Lady gives the Rosary to St. Dominic

    Dominican Church of the Holy Rosary, Rome
    Some scholars, however, discuss whether or not the Rosary of St. Dominic was the exact same one that we say today. They argue that a practice of glorifying the Virgin by offering her a spiritual “crown of roses” or mystical “ensemble of roses,” or yet a “garden of roses” (rosarium in Latin), was already a widespread practice among the simple medieval people before St. Dominic. These “roses” would consist in the repetition of the greeting of the Archangel Gabriel, Hail Mary full of grace ... that constitutes just the first part of the present day prayer. The medieval people would repeat that angelical greeting because it summarizes all the joys of the Most Holy Virgin in her life.

    So, for these scholars, Our Lady would have only asked St. Dominic to follow that already existing but incomplete practice. The second part of the prayer – Holy Mary, Mother of God ... – would have been introduced later, along with the Our Fathers and the meditations on the sorrows and glories of Our Lady and her Divine Son. Only in the 15th century, in a revelation to Fr. Alain de la Roche, would the 15 mysteries in the form we know today have been established. Such is the opinion of this particular school. This opinion is very convenient for the Progressivists who promote the new luminous mysteries, since based on this reasoning they can pretend the Rosary has always been a changing and evolving prayer.

    Other scholars disagree with this evolutionary school and consider that from St. Dominic on, the Rosary devotion was as it is now. They argue:

    First, that the actual origin of the “crowns of roses” was established as a practice of the simple medieval people, who were not able to read and therefore could not pray the Hours of the Divine Office, also called the Psaltery, as was the habit among educated Catholics. Thus, instead of reciting the 150 Psalms, they started to pray 150 Hail Marys in honor of Our Lady as a substitute for the Holy Office. According to this school, from the very beginning, the Rosary included not only joyful meditations on the life of Our Lady and her Son, but also, inspired by the Psalms, sorrowful and glorious meditations.

    Second, they say that it seems ludicrous and most improbable that Our Lady would ask St. Dominic to pray an incomplete Rosary, and then reveal to one of his disciples and other Catholics that what she really wanted was a complete Rosary. Given that she had intended to give us the complete Rosary, the prayer that most pleases her, this practice should have only one form, not two. Why would she, who is the Seat of Wisdom and always knew what she wanted to establish, conceal the complete form of the Rosary to the Dominican founder and only reveal it in the 15th century to one of his disciples? It is much more probable that she revealed the complete Rosary to St. Dominic, and when that devotion started to decline, she appeared again to reinforce the practice of that same original Rosary.

    However, Progressivists considered the hypotheses of the evolutionary school as “proved” and started to treat the venerable tradition that says St. Dominic received the entire Rosary as a legend. Today, unfortunately, it is not rare to find this superficial interpretation promoted even in Dominican Institutions.

    My sympathies are with the second school, and I have serious suspicions regarding the first. The latter fits neatly with today’s progressivist historic method of reexamining and changing almost everything that was already established by Church tradition. It also plays into ecuмenism, which wants to minimize Marian devotions as much as possible to please Protestantism. We know that when Progressivists and Protestants cannot destroy a certain devotion, they try to sabotage it and present it as baseless and superstitious.

    Leo XIII closes the discussion: St. Dominic received the complete Rosary

    Our Lady of Fatima

    At Fatima Our Lady asked for the 15-decade Rosary
    Further, this evolutionary and revisionist school conveniently “forgets” that the historical discussion was already closed a long time ago, when Pope Leo XIII decided the opposite of what it pretends. Indeed, he clearly affirmed that it was St. Dominic who received the entire Rosary with the three sets of mysteries.

    In the Encyclical Octobri mense, Leo XIII affirms: “We are pleased to point out and strongly recommend the holy Rosary. To this manner of prayer was given, in common language, the name of ‘crown,’ because it recalls to our minds, in an opportune sequence, the great mysteries of Jesus and Mary: their joys, sorrows and triumphs.” (1)

    In the next paragraph, the Pontiff completes his thought: “That the Queen of Heaven herself has granted a great efficacy to this devotion is demonstrated by the fact that it was, by her command and counsel, instituted and propagated by the illustrious St. Dominic, in times particularly dangerous for the Catholic cause.” (2)

    That is, Leo XIII considers as historically proved (please, go to n. 3) that the three sets of mysteries he described were given as such by Our Lady to St. Dominic. In other words, according to this Pontiff, it was by the express wish of Our Lady that the three sets of mysteries were established.

    The Most Holy Virgin confirms the three sets of mysteries

    This decision was confirmed by the Most Holy Virgin in several of her apparitions.

    In 1460, more than two centuries after that first communication to St. Dominic, when the Rosary devotion was in decline, she appeared to another Dominican, Alain de la Roche, to confirm her first intention. She told him to spread the Rosary devotion with the same form: 150 Hail Marys distributed in three sets of five mysteries.

    Our Lady of Pompeii

    Our Lady of Pompeii recommended the traditional Rosary

    After placing the Rosary around his neck, Our Lady told Fr. de la Roche:

    “My son, you know perfectly the ancient devotion of my Rosary, preached and diffused by your Patriarch and my Servant Dominic and by his spiritual sons, your religious brothers. This spiritual exercise is extremely agreeable to both my Son and to me, and most useful and holy for the faithful.

    “When my Servant Dominic started to preach my Rosary … the reform in the world reached such heights that it seemed that men were transformed into angelic spirits and that Angels had descended from Heaven to inhabit the earth. … No one was considered a true Christian unless he had my Rosary and prayed it. … The prestige of the holy Rosary was such that no devotion was or is more agreeable to me after the august Sacrifice of the Mass. …

    “I desire, therefore, that it [the devotion of the Rosary] be restored again in the Church for the consolation of a great number of souls. You will be the one to preach my Rosary, exhorting all the faithful to pray it devoutly. … The Rosary will be a most powerful weapon against Hell; it will subdue vices, destroy sin and conquer heresies. All those who will recommend themselves to me through my Rosary will not be eternally condemned.” (3)

    In the apparitions of Our Lady of Pompeii in 1884, which were praised by Pius XII (see two paragraphs below), Our Lady said, “If you seek salvation, promulgate the Rosary.” She appeared with the same Rosary that we pray.

    If some doubt remains that Our Lady wants the Rosary as she gave it to St. Dominic, we can see that in 1858 at Lourdes she taught Bernadette how to pray that same Rosary. This is affirmed by Pope Pius XI in the Encyclical Ingravescentibus malis: “And we do not wish to pass over in silence the fact that the Blessed Virgin herself, in our very epoch, has insistently recommended this manner of prayer when, appearing to an innocent girl in the Grotto of Lourdes, she taught her the recitation of the Rosary.” (4)

    Bernadette and Our Lady praying the rosary

    Our Lady teaches the Rosary to St. Bernadette in Lourdes
    In the Allocution Venuti come siete, Pius XII also stressed that Our Lady, who appeared carrying her own Rosary in her hand, prayed the Rosary with Bernadette in Lourdes: “In Lourdes as in Pompeii, Mary wanted to demonstrate with countless graces how greatly pleased she is by this prayer, which she invited her confidante St. Bernadette to say, following the Hail Marys of the girl while slowly sliding the beads of her own beautiful Rosary, resplendent as the golden roses that shone at her feet.” (5)

    In Fatima, something similar happened. In all the apparitions there, Our Lady, dressed in white, held her Rosary in her folded hands, and counseled the children to pray the Rosary. Further, in the last apparition of October 13, 1917, she also appeared as Our Lady of the Rosary, displaying the traditional Rosary.

    Since in these apparitions Our Lady always expressed her desire for the Rosary to be prayed as we know it, why would she tell St. Dominic to pray a different Rosary? Nothing seems less probable. If she told all the other seers the same thing – to pray the Rosary as we know it – she certainly ordered the same to St. Dominic. Therefore, the old Dominican tradition is correct in attributing to St. Dominic the complete Rosary – the 150 Hail Marys, 15 Our Fathers and Glory be's and the three sets of mysteries. The revisionist and evolutionary school is wrong.

    Therefore, Our Lady desires the Rosary as it has been prayed since St. Dominic, and nothing else. Hence, the innovation of John Paul II does not attend to her expressed wish. Rather it seems to sabotage it by introducing another set of mysteries at his own personal initiative.

    The three sets of mysteries and the previous Popes

    The Popes also confirmed with their authority the excellence of the Rosary.

    Pope Urban IV in 1261, less than 50 years after the introduction of the Rosary by St. Dominic, approved it and gave special indulgences to the Confraternities of the Blessed Virgin that prayed the Rosary.

    Pope John XXII (1316-1334) confirmed the excellence of the same fifteen-decade Rosary and increased those indulgences.

    Heaven gives Victory at Lepanto

    Thanks to the Rosary, Our Lady gave the victory at Lepanto
    Pope St. Pius V (1566-1562) ordered the Rosary, as we know it today, to be prayed by all of Christendom and all the warriors fighting in the Battle of Lepanto. Due to this prayer, that Battle was miraculously won by the Catholic fleet. In honor of that victory, St. Pius V established October 7 as the feast day of Our Lady of the Rosary and considered the Rosary an official prayer of the Church.

    It would take too long to recount all the Popes who praised and blessed the Rosary as we know it. (6) Let me only reproduce a text by Leo XIII where he presents five Popes who approved the Rosary:

    “After having repeatedly encouraged … the recitation of the Holy Rosary, we, following the example of our predecessors, have endeavored to increase its importance by a more solemn cult. Sixtus V, of happy memory, approved the ancient custom of praying the Rosary; Gregory XIII instituted the feast of the Rosary, which Clement VIII afterward inscribed in the Roman Martyrology, and Clement XI extended to the whole Church; later Benedict XIII inserted it in the Roman Breviary. So, we, in perpetual testimony of our appreciation for this devotion, have decreed that said feast and its Office should be celebrated in the universal Church … consecrating to this devotion the entire month of October.” (7)

    In his Encyclical Fidentem piumque, Pope Leo XIII opposes any change to the structure of the Rosary: “And that old usage that flourished among our forefathers ought to be preserved with religious exactitude or else restored, according to which Christian families, whether in town or country, considered it a sacred duty to gather together at close of day, when their labors were at end, before a statue of the Virgin and alternately pray the Rosary.” (8)

    Conclusion

    We can see, therefore, that in many important apparitions, Our Lady asks Catholics to pray the Rosary as we always knew it – the Creed, the introductory Our Father, three Hail Marys, and Glory be; and the body of 150 Hail Marys, 15 Our Fathers, and 15 Glory bes divided into three sets of five mysteries, the Joyful, Sorrowful and Glorious. It seems quite clear that the innovation of John Paul II is opposed to the expressed will of Our Lady.

    After exposing the praises and comments of many Popes, as well as referring to the indulgences and blessings they gave for praying the traditional Rosary, it seems quite clear that to pray a different rosary of four sets of mysteries causes this rosary to lose the merit of those eulogies and blessings. In other words, whosoever prays the new sets of mysteries would seem not to benefit from the previous indulgences and graces.

    In summary, far from being a benefit, this new set of Luminous Mysteries caused a serious damage. It subverted an august 800-year-old devotional practice. Adding an additional 50 Hail Marys was an extravagance that did not lead more persons to adopt the practice of the Rosary; it made it more difficult for those who already prayed it. This addition of John Paul II, introduced on a personal whim, seems to me a hypertrophy that is producing an atrophy in the devotion of the Rosary. I wonder whether this atrophy was actually intended to sabotage the Rosary devotion.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #27 on: October 27, 2023, 11:11:19 AM »
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  • The parallel I have drawn between the crisis in the Church and the French Revolution is not simply a metaphorical one. 

    Yes, the principles of of "liberte, egalite, fraternite" are found clearly all over the V2 docuмents.

    In addition, Our Lord had asked the Kings of France to consecrate their country to His Sacred Heart.  100 years to the day, after having failed to comply, the King was deposed (and then eventually executed).  Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on June 13, 1929.  So while the former was for the French Revolution, the second related to the French Revolution against the Church, Vatican II.  Pre-V2 Popes could have prevented V2 by complying with Our Lady's request, but they failed also.

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    Re: Opinion on the Luminous mysteries of Pope John Paul II.
    « Reply #28 on: October 27, 2023, 11:25:53 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, Novus Ordo Catholics see no problem with the 2002 “Illuminati” mysteries of JPII.  In fact, they appear to wholeheartedly embrace and love them.  Such ignorance.  So sad.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42