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Re: RACIST? RACISM?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2018, 11:15:00 PM »
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  • So if the secular world labels us "racist," we're guilty of sinning against charity?

    Since when does the "morality" of the secular world have any bearing whatsoever on Catholics, Poche? Is "homophobia" also a "Sin against charity?"

    "Honored in Hell with Satan and his angels." This from the guy who counts every recently deceased person - protestant, notorious public sinner, heathen, whatever - among "the faithful departed." Now, when someone dares to call it an honor when we're smeared with a secular scarlet letter for the crime of having transgressed a moral law imposed upon us by ZOG, he suddenly starts throwing fire and brimstone around.

    Don't ever be fooled by Poche's feigned meekness and showy false piety. He is a fundamentally dishonest, fork-tongued shill for the enemies of Christ.
    While it is true that I pray for all of those of whose departure we learn. That is because we do not know the final disposition of their souls before God. Unless we have a special revelation then we do not know. So I pray for them as I would like others to pray for me when I die. However if we live in mortal sin, there is that danger of going to Hell. If we sin against charity we sin against God.
    How can you say I love God while hating your brother?

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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #16 on: November 25, 2018, 11:21:16 PM »
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  • So if the secular world labels us "racist," we're guilty of sinning against charity?

    Since when does the "morality" of the secular world have any bearing whatsoever on Catholics, Poche? Is "homophobia" also a "Sin against charity?"

    "Honored in Hell with Satan and his angels." This from the guy who counts every recently deceased person - protestant, notorious public sinner, heathen, whatever - among "the faithful departed." Now, when someone dares to call it an honor when we're smeared with a secular scarlet letter for the crime of having transgressed a moral law imposed upon us by ZOG, he suddenly starts throwing fire and brimstone around.

    Don't ever be fooled by Poche's feigned meekness and showy false piety. He is a fundamentally dishonest, fork-tongued shill for the enemies of Christ.
    It is not how the world rates us that matters. It is how God rates us. 


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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #17 on: November 26, 2018, 12:12:48 AM »
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  • Like St. Therese of Lisieux, St. John Berchmans was not noted for anything extraordinary. He made kindness and courtesy as well as constant fidelity an important part of his holiness. The path to holiness lies in the ordinary rather than the extraordinary. That is a lesson that some learn only late in life. Read more about St. John Berchmans' life and spirituality.

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2018-11-26

    If we live as St John Berchmans and maybe one day we will join him in Heaven.

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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #18 on: November 26, 2018, 12:14:58 AM »
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  • It is not how the world rates us that matters. It is how God rates us.

    Well, there you have it, friends. Which is it? Is Poche an imbecile; incapable of following the logical course of a thread he himself is participating in, or is he an intellectually dishonest rhetorician hiding behind false piety and folksy simplicity?

    Poche, in the name of Christian Charity, which you believe this subject touches upon, please tell us which, if any, of the following constitutes "racism:"

    Desiring to live and work among members of one's own race and not among members of others.

    Affirming that there are inherent differences of average intelligence among the races.

    Support for state legislated prohibitions of miscegenation.

    Belief in the "Curse of Ham" and that sub-Saharan Africans are the subjects of that curse.

    Holding personal prejudices that compel us to act in a certain way with members of another race, based on personal experience with other members of that race and / or knowledge of statistics about that race (e.g. crossing the street when approached by a group of negro youths).

    Now, clearly, the world rates all of the above as "racist." How ought a Catholic rate it?

    Please do not simply post the same passage from Mit Brennender Sorge again.

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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 12:26:59 AM »
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  • While it is true that I pray for all of those of whose departure we learn. That is because we do not know the final disposition of their souls before God. Unless we have a special revelation then we do not know. So I pray for them as I would like others to pray for me when I die. However if we live in mortal sin, there is that danger of going to Hell. If we sin against charity we sin against God.
    How can you say I love God while hating your brother?


     
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    Pope St. Gregory the Great, Moralia, Book 34: “There is, therefore, the same reason for not praying then for men condemned to eternal fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who have been consigned to eternal punishment.  And this is now the reason for holy men not praying for unbelieving and ungodly men who are dead; for they are unwilling that the merit of their prayer should be set aside, in that presence of the righteous Judge, in behalf of those whom they know to be already consigned to eternal punishment.”
    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5. “Gregory says (Moralia xxxiv): There is the same reason for not praying then (namely after the judgment day) for men condemned to everlasting fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who are sentenced to eternal punishment, and for this reason the saints do not pray for dead unbelieving and wicked men, because, forsooth, knowing them to be already condemned to eternal punishment, they shrink from pleading for them by the merit of their prayers…”

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    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5: “Further, the text (iv. Sent. D. 45) quotes the words of Augustine (De Verb. Apost. Serm. xxxii): ‘If a man depart this life without the faith that works by charity and its sacraments, in vain do his friends have recourse to such acts of kindness [prayers and suffrages for him].  Now all the damned come under that head.  Therefore suffrages profit them not.”


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    Pope St. Gregory II (circa A.D. 731): “You ask for advice on the lawfulness of making offerings for the dead.  The teaching of the Church is this – that every man should make offerings for those who died as true Christians [Catholics]… But he is not allowed to do so for those who die in a state of sin even if they were Christians.”


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    St. Francis Xavier, Nov. 5, 1549: “The corsair who commanded our vessel died here at Cagoxima.  He did his work for us, on the whole, as we wished… He himself chose to die in his own superstitions; he did not even leave us the power of rewarding him by that kindness which we can after death do to other friends who die in the profession of the Christian faith, in commending their souls to God, since the poor fellow by his own hand cast his soul into hell, where there is no redemption.”


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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 12:41:01 AM »
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  • Do not expect Poche to come up with any sort of logical response.

    He has the intellectual capacity of a bag of hair and does not actually take time to respond with a rebuttal worth anyone's time. 

    Rehashing the same bloody quote from Mit Brennender Sorge is not a rebuttal, but Poche doesn't care. Our SPLC shabbos goy, using the same verbiage as the fags calling Catholics "a hate group", doesn't care. 

    The SPLC would probably call any organization that believes in Hell, period, a "hate group", even though that is where they'd all go.
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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #21 on: November 26, 2018, 08:51:00 AM »
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    Pope St. Gregory the Great, Moralia, Book 34: “There is, therefore, the same reason for not praying then for men condemned to eternal fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who have been consigned to eternal punishment.  And this is now the reason for holy men not praying for unbelieving and ungodly men who are dead; for they are unwilling that the merit of their prayer should be set aside, in that presence of the righteous Judge, in behalf of those whom they know to be already consigned to eternal punishment.”
    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5. “Gregory says (Moralia xxxiv): There is the same reason for not praying then (namely after the judgment day) for men condemned to everlasting fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who are sentenced to eternal punishment, and for this reason the saints do not pray for dead unbelieving and wicked men, because, forsooth, knowing them to be already condemned to eternal punishment, they shrink from pleading for them by the merit of their prayers…”
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    But who are those who are among the condemned and who are those who are saved but in Purgatory. Without a revelation from God you cannot know. Pope St Gregory the Great himself had 30 days mass said for a deceased person who had been excommunicated. 

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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #22 on: November 27, 2018, 12:32:01 PM »
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  • Hello all, after a long hiatus I thought I'd poke my head back in here and this seems a decent thread as any ...

    In my view the modern concept of "racism" is essentially meaningless. That epithet is thrown around so much that basically all it means is "someone who disagrees with socialists".

    The Pope Pius XI quote from Mit Brennender Sorge seems to be saying no more than that no ideology should be elevated above the faith, even if it is good. In terms of "race" it seems to be saying no more than what we are always commanded to do, "love thy neighbour". Loving thy neighbour certainly does not preclude observing objectively knowable facts and differences, or historical realities, or what have you.

    If "racism" even exists, the only way I see the Church condemning it would be if one had an irrational hatred of any one solely on account of the colour of his skin. Does this even need a special term? I don't think so ... because hating anyone is already a sin.


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    Re: RACIST? RACISM?
    « Reply #23 on: November 27, 2018, 01:58:52 PM »
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  • White people + Talking about race = racists

    or also...


    White people = racists
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