Author Topic: Older movies full of anti-Catholic morals (Read 1964 times)

Matthew · « **on:** February 05, 2013, 12:12:35 PM »

I just want to discuss ONE point.

Number of children.

Even in old, black & white "classic" movies, I'm shocked at how children are portrayed.

In "It's a Wonderful Life", the main characters have a whopping 4 children. In 1946.

In these older movies, children are portrayed as some kind of rare trophy, a rare treasure, a tribute to years of love. Because you might only have one or two of them.

Yes, each child is a unique treasure; a gift from God. But if you only watched black & white movies, you'd swear it takes 2 or more years of married love to have each child!

I understand that not EVERYONE can have a dozen children, for various reasons. But the protagonist of "It's a Wonderful Life" and his wife married young, and were in good health. All things being equal, children tend to come in greater numbers than what they ended up with. Especially if you follow the 1950's customs of letting baby "cry it out" and bottle feeding!

(24-hour nursing -- exclusive breastfeeding -- causes delayed return of fertility)

You know how divorce was portrayed in movies as "everyday normal" BEFORE actual real-world divorces breached the "5% of marriages end this way" mark?
We all know what happened: the real world soon followed. People started imitating what they saw on TV.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2013, 12:14:41 PM »

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BEFORE actual real-world divorces breached the "2% of marriages end this way" mark?

It was a lot more than 2%.

There were lots of broken homes in the 30s and 40s.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2013, 12:15:56 PM »

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BEFORE actual real-world divorces breached the "2% of marriages end this way" mark?

It was a lot more than 2%.

There were lots of broken homes in the 30s and 40s.

I changed it to 5% for now :)

Divorce was very rare in the real world. Back then, divorce was sensational and scandalous. Not an everyday occurrence.

Does anyone have any hard statistics? I'm open to whatever they are.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2013, 12:17:37 PM »

http://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Historical_Divorce_Rate_Statistics

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2013, 12:22:38 PM »

I would guess what caused the massive increase in the divorce rate were the changes in laws that allowed an adulterous woman to kick her husband out of the house, move her new lover in, and force the husband to pay child support without any real authority over the children.

Any man who marries has to realize that he can be payed to subsidize his wife's adultery, and likely spend the rest of his life impoverished.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2013, 12:26:19 PM »

I wonder why the social taboo exists that says a man cannot bring his bride into his parents house to live? Could it be that not having a house for a woman to steal is the problem? Sure, it's looked down upon, because of mores that developed in more prosperous times, but I do wonder if there is a subconscious awareness that living in a house that can't be taken away from the husband subconsciously weighs on the minds of women and their families?

Gimli · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2013, 02:52:05 PM »

Interesting point, I never thought of that. I do not own a TV myself but I always enjoy watching a classical "black and white" movie. It is such a gigantic contrast to the modern world in general, both in reality and on TV. Everybody in "old movies" speak so clearly, the language is not bastardized, everybody is so well dressed, the hairstyles of men are so elegant, and everybody seem to have a straight back and good posture. By watching this when I get the opportunity it is almost therapeuticall for me. One movie I truly recommend that got much "Catholicism" in it ,is the movie about the Irish catholic boxer Jim Braddock. The great catholic defender and brave political incorrect intellectual Pat Buchanan write about it here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan30.html

Something I love with the movie is that Jim Braddock is a very loving and caring father and husband. He is a honest and peaceful men, a quality American and citizen, but he is also a tough fighter and warrior who knock a lot of people out. My favorite scene though is when he gets back to the welfare office were was forced to take welfare money and food stamps and later pays it back to the welfare office. That´s what I call a catholic, and he became the world champion in boxing! For me personally boxing is a sport (or was maybe) for masculine catholic men, but that's just me.

Solo Dios Basta.
:boxer:

Tiffany · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2013, 05:18:13 PM »

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I would guess what caused the massive increase in the divorce rate were the changes in laws that allowed an adulterous woman to kick her husband out of the house, move her new lover in, and force the husband to pay child support without any real authority over the children.

Any man who marries has to realize that he can be payed to subsidize his wife's adultery, and likely spend the rest of his life impoverished.

Growing up I always heard about the evil of no fault divorce laws. Had no idea what it meant at the time but knew it was a very destructive thing for society.

Tiffany · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2013, 05:26:22 PM »

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I wonder why the social taboo exists that says a man cannot bring his bride into his parents house to live? Could it be that not having a house for a woman to steal is the problem? Sure, it's looked down upon, because of mores that developed in more prosperous times, but I do wonder if there is a subconscious awareness that living in a house that can't be taken away from the husband subconsciously weighs on the minds of women and their families?

I wonder that too but I know many families who did move into the paternal home. I know one family who had two sets of married children there. The daughter and her husband had a cabin in the mountains though and would go there on weekends.

Marlelar · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2013, 08:08:22 PM »

Gen 2:24, Matthew 19:5, Mark 10:7:

"For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife."

A man should not be marrying unless he can establish his own household and support his family. Now if hardship comes to him and his family later, I would expect parents to take them into their own home.

I do think that movies are one means of effecting social change by conditioning people to accept the previously unacceptable.

Marsha

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2013, 08:12:51 PM »

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Gen 2:24, Matthew 19:5, Mark 10:7:

"For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife."

A man should not be marrying unless he can establish his own household and support his family. Now if hardship comes to him and his family later, I would expect parents to take them into their own home.

I do think that movies are one means of effecting social change by conditioning people to accept the previously unacceptable.

Marsha

There are families that live in the same house for many generations.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2013, 09:36:43 PM »

Jєωs have been and still are busy in breaking down social norms and
morality for generations with the use of the silver screen.
I remember watching an early 1930's movie on American Movie
Classic years ago that promoted abortion as a solution of an
unwanted pregnancy and insisted on by the parents of the young
woman.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2013, 10:52:43 PM »

My best friend's father raised his family in the home he grew up in.

Lots of rich people around here buy starter homes for their daughers when they marry for the first or second time.

Historically speaking it wasn't uncommon for many generations to live on the same land or in very close proximity to each other.

It's a matter of fact that marriage is collapsing among the working class.

That really isn't surprising when one considers the dearth of family supporting jobs and the real estate bubble.

It was not uncommon in the past for several generations to live under one roof.

While obviously there are physical constraints that limit how many people can live in a moderately sized house, if there is room, I think it's foolish to buy a separate house to live in to start a family, in an inferior neighborhood. Particularly if one's parents will be closely involved in taking care of grandchildren.

The middle class is going to continue to shrink: trads need to decide whether maintaining middle class suburban values are important or supporting Catholic family life is important.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2013, 11:02:11 PM »

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Among Europeans ages 25-34, nearly one-in-three men and one-in-five women lived with at least one of their parents in 2008, according to a recent report from the European Commission. The highest shares were in Bulgaria for men (61%) and in Slovakia for women (42%).

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/10/08/multi-generational-households-in-europe/

As I said above, women can find a place to live without paying for it - by marriage or shacking up.

The difference today is that in marriage the woman can then divorce the husband and remain on the property, even collect regular payments from the husband while being supported by another man.

The proper counterbalance to this is to ensure the woman cannot marry to gain possession of real estate. An ideal way to do this is to find a woman willing to live in one's parents house. Such a girl is likely to be sincere.

It's also a solution fort those 1/3 of men stuck at home because of this wicked social system. I recall in 1992 I was visiting a distant cousin's sister in law who lived in a beautiful home in Frankfurt. Their grown son Volker lived with them.

There was plenty of room for the son to start a family in that house.

Catholicism is about charity, not money. Parents who love their children will want them to have a family life. OF course they want them to be independent too - they also recognize this wicked social system that is denying decent livelihoods to a large proportion of young men and causing a collapse in the birth rate is a special circuмstance.

Tiffany · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2013, 12:57:36 AM »

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The proper counterbalance to this is to ensure the woman cannot marry to gain possession of real estate. An ideal way to do this is to find a woman willing to live in one's parents house. Such a girl is likely to be sincere.

Deceitful women are known for pressuring men to buy property, have relations/children, make more of a commitment during a cycle of abuse. Men seem to fall for the she will be happy then or things will be like they were before hope. People do a lot for hope and unscrupulous folks know this. It's no more likely she is honest, she may just willing to go a long with it for a short time.