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old wives tale or reality?
« on: March 26, 2012, 10:25:41 AM »
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  •  Grandma says that in her time some ladies nursed their children for seven years because they wouldn't get pregnant as long as they did so. It worked for some ladies (though not for all of them).
      Seven years is odd. But I wonder if it is real, especially because NFPers say that LAM doesn't work that long.
      Were old time women right to think that extended nursing or voluntary nursing of other people's children had such a contraceptive value? or it was just a tale?
     (I know it is strange but just curious)


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    « Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 10:35:49 AM »
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  • You'd have to be feeding very often, and on demand, possibly exclusively, for seven years, in order to prevent ovulation for all that time!




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    « Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 10:43:29 AM »
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  • Seven years sounds too long. I'm sure there's an upper limit to how long exclusive nursing can prevent ovulation.

    And the "return of ovulation" varies depending on the woman. The problem is, none of us can speak with lots of experience on this, since at most we know our own wife's situation. How many of us have multiple wives?

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    old wives tale or reality?
    « Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 02:22:20 PM »
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  •   Maybe it had to be on general discussion section.
    Well, it is what women themselves believed in, not men with multiple wives.
      I sometimes hear about very strange things people of old times did and wonder whether modern people know about them or not. For example a certain herbal drug that once taken would never let you ovulate again!
      Silly easy ways that worked better than complicate modern methods.

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    old wives tale or reality?
    « Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 02:55:33 PM »
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  • I had a distant family member tell me once that he was breastfed until he was six years old. He would be in his late 60's if he were still alive. I don't doubt that there were some emotional issues involved in that situation!

    I also saw a video segment online a few years ago called Extreme Breastfeeding, where a British woman nursed her two children until they were six or seven. She was tandem nursing at one point, so it's obvious the extended breastfeeding didn't prevent ovulation.

    I personally think the "breastfeeding prevents ovulation" line needs to be thrown out the window, lol. It may in some women, but there are plenty of others (and I include myself in the others) where it certainly did not. I've also met quite a few mothers with children 12-15 months apart, who got pregnant while breastfeeding around the clock with a new infant.


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    old wives tale or reality?
    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2012, 11:47:01 PM »
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  • I think there are several things here.

    1)  Prior to the Industrial Age, women nursed their children until about 5 or 6.  Our "milk teeth" fall out when our permanent teeth erupt.  Some children, of course, weaned themselves earlier but it wasn't really weird if they didn't.

    2)  During this time, it was also common for entire families to share a common sleeping area.  Sometimes these were separated by curtains, but not always.  It sort of made it really hard for men and women to be intimate all the time.  Planning was essential.

    3)  Census records pretty clearly indicate a normal pattern of child birth prior to the 1960s.  Babies came along about every 18 months to 2 years.  I have been doing genealogy for 15 years and I have examined probably thousands of census records and they are all the same--until modern times.

    It is pretty clear to me that women used to nurse for much longer than women do now.  Children didn't go off to school or daycare, so there was really no hurry.  Also as children age, they naturally eat more solid food and nurse less.  My daughter is 15 months old and she nurses only 4 times a day now---before we get out of bed, before her morning and afternoon naps, and before bedtime.  

    But it seems to me that women's fertility is about the same throughout the ages.  God worked it out so women normally give birth about every 2 years until the Lord sees fit.  It was not unusual in those time for women to have children from the age of 15 to 45.  Really.  The oldest mother in my family tree gave birth at 47 to her 14th child.  And all but one survived infancy.

    So, to answer the question---yes, women nursed for 5 or 6 years.  But no, their fertility did not stay at bay for that long.  Some couples, clearly, were not as fertile as others, but generally every 2 years was the norm.

    As the 30s and 40s rolled around, though, women were being told to do all sorts of weird things that were unnatural.  Early wave of feminism.  My mother-in-law gave birth to her first child in 1945.  She fed her daughter evaporated milk mixed with Karo syrup.  Can you imagine?  

    As for me personally, I have learned that the longer my babies nurse during the night, the longer my fertility stays at bay.  It usually returns around 12-15 months.  The closest space for any of our children is 23 months almost exactly.


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    « Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 06:02:43 AM »
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  • CathMom hit it on the nose. I don't think that women who nurse until 5-7 do it to keep fertility at bay because for most, it's come back already a few years earlier. They do it because they believe it's what's best for the child. I do it to 2 but by then it's down to 1 or 2 nursings a day, usually before bed. I know someone who nursed until 7-8. Did not agree with it at all, but she seems convinced it's best. I think by then if I were THAT convinced they need the nutrition of breastmilk I'd give it in a cup. But she's a rare one. Most women today stop way before what's best for the child or don't even try unfortunately. It takes a lot of dedication and you aren't "free" with your time.