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Offline icarlytradcath

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #100 on: Yesterday at 08:58:26 AM »
Quote from: alancarmine on Yesterday at 08:36:14 AM
I know, you see, somehow the Church will change for me and be so wonderful.
That made me laugh :laugh1: I suppose I would characterize it as I'm trying to wake up the members of my nation. See the Godly side of all of this creation :jester:

That message is a bit snarky and zoomery I must admit, but I do mean it, I wouldn't jump on a thread about the best brand of fishing rods because I don't know anything about that.

This lady came in guns blazing accusing me of being a modernist infiltrator sent by a masonic cabal to undermine the Church with Neo-Platonism without even knowing what Neo-Platonism is. Literally ask ChatGPT at this point😭


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What's Christian Neo-Platonism and what are some notable saints and writers who held it? Very briefly.

Christian Neoplatonism is a tradition in Christianity that blends Christian theology with ideas from the ancient philosopher Plotinus and later Neoplatonists. It emphasizes that all reality flows from God, that the soul’s goal is union with God, and that material things reflect higher spiritual realities. Christians adapted these ideas while rejecting pagan elements incompatible with Christianity.

Notable Christian Neoplatonists include:
Augustine of Hippo — deeply shaped Western Christianity using Neoplatonic ideas about God, evil, and the soul.
Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite — major influence on Christian mysticism and negative theology.
Gregory of Nyssa — emphasized the soul’s ascent toward God.
Maximus the Confessor — integrated Neoplatonic cosmology into Eastern Christian theology.
Bonaventure — combined Christian doctrine with Augustinian/Neoplatonic spirituality.


It became especially influential in Eastern Orthodox mysticism, medieval Catholic theology, and Christian contemplative spirituality.

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Offline Lazarus

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #101 on: Yesterday at 10:35:34 AM »
Quote from: icarlytradcath on Yesterday at 04:11:30 AM

I agree completely.
For the immense majority of Catholics if they told you they're gonna read the Quran or Voltaire you should say "brother what are you doing do *not* do that".

But on the other hand I'm reminded of a very good article from some trad magazine, maybe someone knows which one I'm talking about, that talked about how a big characteristic of the Vatican II disaster was treating the laity as the most profoundly stupid children there ever was, incapable of any thought or sense of mystery or discernment. Everything had to be constant instruction. Nothing could be left up to mystery or be artfully understated, the consecration had to be out loud, there should be new prefaces and new bidding prayers that constantly repeat and explain basic Christian doctrine, there had to be a transition signal between different parts of the rite, every mysterious and ambiguous phrase (Ite missa est) had to be made banal (Go in peace, the Mass has ended).

I have actually seen irl a book at a used book store from I think 1969 that was called the something like "The commentator book" and the idea was that every Sunday you'd have some guy with a microphone who after every prayer and antiphon would say "We just asked God to have mercy on us" "We are now kneeling to show respect" and so on.

I don't know how common this ever was but I think it's a perfect example of just how stupid they thought your average Catholic was. I don't think they are that stupid, I think almost every practicing Catholic if they read the Aeneid or a selection from the 1001 Arabian Nights they wouldn't be at any risk, and as a matter of fact, they'd probably be better off.
Vatican II is heresy. You should study the Vatican II council, the statements that were made, and you can simply look at St Pius X's condemnation of modernist theories. Either Popes can contradict themselves making Catholicism a false religion, or Vatican II is false and the Popes promoting it are false Popes. 

I truly advise you to study this question in-depth, it should be your first priority. 

I tell you because I do not want you to lose your soul because of false teachings. Vatican II teaches that the Catholic Church is in communion with false religions like hinduism. But for anyone who knows martyrology history, a true Christian would rather die than give one incense stick to another deity than the true God. 
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Offline Lazarus

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #102 on: Yesterday at 11:18:29 AM »
Quote from: icarlytradcath on Yesterday at 08:58:26 AM
This lady came in guns blazing accusing me of being a modernist infiltrator sent by a masonic cabal to undermine the Church with Neo-Platonism without even knowing what Neo-Platonism is. Literally ask ChatGPT at this point😭
Only the most radical forms of Platonism are condemned by the Church. The problem is that Platonism has been used by the Gnostics to say that matter is inherently evil (which is heresy because matter is inherently good not inherently evil) and inferior to the ideal states of platonic ideas.

One of the leitmotivs of Gnostics is that being trapped inside a real body is a curse and they want to return to pure aether.

Gnosticism has led to the transgender ideology and other Kabbalah nonsense. 

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Offline Lazarus

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #103 on: Yesterday at 12:34:43 PM »
Quote from: icarlytradcath on Yesterday at 08:58:26 AM
That made me laugh :laugh1: I suppose I would characterize it as I'm trying to wake up the members of my nation. See the Godly side of all of this creation :jester:

That message is a bit snarky and zoomery I must admit, but I do mean it, I wouldn't jump on a thread about the best brand of fishing rods because I don't know anything about that.

This lady came in guns blazing accusing me of being a modernist infiltrator sent by a masonic cabal to undermine the Church with Neo-Platonism without even knowing what Neo-Platonism is. Literally ask ChatGPT at this point😭
Those rash accusations are ridiculous and sinning against charity and justice. 

Your writings do not indicate that you are a heretic. 

I don't know who taught her to be like that, I have noticed old women in traditionalist circles being impertinent and prone to rashness. 
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Offline icarlytradcath

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #104 on: Yesterday at 01:49:28 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 12:34:43 PM
Those rash accusations are ridiculous and sinning against charity and justice.

Your writings do not indicate that you are a heretic.

I don't know who taught her to be like that, I have noticed old women in traditionalist circles being impertinent and prone to rashness.

And maybe she'll say "you're strawmanning me!" but if those aren't exactly those accusations they sure are quite close.

In general I've seen this happen, to Nick Fuentes for example, now whether you like the guy or not, people say "oh I disagree with him, he must be a fed" and it's like okay or did you ever stop to think that you just disagree?

Also yeah she linked this https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10742b.htm which literally first explains pagan Neo-Platonism and then at the end of the article has a whole section called "Influence of Neoplatonism" explaining Christian Neo-Platonism.

So I don't know, I don't speak confidently on Taoism based on the first line of wikipedia because I don't know anything about it, I don't know why she did that.

And just the whole spiel on Thomism and Trent it's one of those things where there's so many weird priors and historical errors stated as fact you don't even know where to begin.

  • Aquinas drew heavily on Neo-Platonism and constantly quotes Dionysius, Proclus (Liber de causis), Boethius and Augustine.
  • Scholasticism is built on the fundations of Neo-Platonism
  • The encyclicals on Aquinas are about reccomendations and legal mandates in seminary training at the time, they don't mean that the other philosophical traditions and approaches are illicit until the end of time.
  • She does realize that a Catholic could exclusively read the works of Augustine and Jerome as spiritual reading his whole life and be perfectly holy and fine?
  • Even after Trent and Aeterni Patris many religious orders and universities continued with their own non-thomistic philosophical traditions and the Holy See approved it and had no problem with it.
  • The Trent thing is just like that is not what Trent was at all? We will follow the strategy and example of Trent even unto the year 8000? Trent was a dogmatic and disciplinary council responding to Protestantism, not a philosophical manifesto

    In general I've seen this other times it reminds me of how people think that because some saints, popes and authors were very ultramontane and papalist that that's The Catholic PositionTM

    Atually, when William George Ward said "I would like to have a papal bull every morning with my Times at breakfast." or when Pius X gave that one famous sermon about loving the Pope you gotta realize that was them and their time, you can be a saint and not be like that.

    Of course Thomas is amazing I love him very much but don't mistake the very high praise from O.P. authors and a very specific period of Catholic culture as The Catholic PositionTM
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