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Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2026, 05:47:02 AM »
"Magic" as an illusion is a form entertainment. Not a sin per se.

As far as I know, real magic is the practice of occult rituals, and it usually conjures demons and ask for their help, be it for a good or evil purpose. This is always a sin.
There is a lot of fictional work depicting such things nowadays. Are these people committing a sin watching/reading these things as entertainment?

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2026, 06:19:17 AM »
There is a lot of fictional work depicting such things nowadays. Are these people committing a sin watching/reading these things as entertainment?

No, otherwise works like Lord Of The Rings world be condemned.


Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2026, 12:56:35 PM »
I'm into these circles and I think there's a fair bit of concern trolling. People see red as soon as these type of people mention Tarot or egregores which is understandable but I think off the mark.

Truth is that pretty much all of them are simply Christian Neo-Platonists like most of the medievals were, they're trying to articulate it for the modern world and trying to incorporate the same worldview as most medievals.

If you dig into it you'll find that a guy like Roger Buck or Peter K. hates sorcery as much as the next guy, they're just trying to have the same vision you'll find in Honorius' De Imago Mundi or Vincent's Speculum Naturale.

"Every creature in the world is, for us, like a book and a picture and a mirror.
(Omnis mundi creatura / Quasi liber et pictura / Nobis est et speculum)"
-Alain de Lille

"The whole sensible world is like a kind of book written by the finger of God. and each particular creature is a symbol, not arbitrarily invented by human decision, but instituted by the divine will to manifest the invisible things of God's wisdom."
-Hugh of St. Victor

It's the same worldview that confidently says in a bestiary:
"The lion erasing its tracks with its tail signifies the way Jesus concealed his divinity, only revealing himself to his followers. The lion sleeping with its eyes open signifies Jesus, physically dead after crucifixion, but still spiritually alive in his divine nature. The lion roaring over his dead cubs to bring them to life represents how God the father woke Jesus after three days in his tomb."

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2026, 01:44:42 PM »
Here is a relevant excerpt from Speculum Majus, which isn't some obscure treatise, it was *the* medieval encyclopedia. Notice how it quotes Hermes directly:

Latin - https://pastebin.com/raw/GFW1LBzG
English - https://pastebin.com/raw/TkdxUGzc

I think this conversation is gonna have to be grappled with eventually, it's my perception that trad zoomers don't just want the early 20th century back, they've realized how hateful and soul-sucking modernity is, even at that stage. They gravitate more towards something like Arthuriana than something like Fr. Lasance.

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2026, 01:51:33 PM »
Here is a relevant excerpt from Speculum Majus, which isn't some obscure treatise, it was *the* medieval encyclopedia. Notice how it quotes Hermes directly:

Latin - https://pastebin.com/raw/GFW1LBzG
English - https://pastebin.com/raw/TkdxUGzc

I think this conversation is gonna have to be grappled with eventually, it's my perception that trad zoomers don't just want the early 20th century back, they've realized how hateful and soul-sucking modernity is, even at that stage. They gravitate more towards something like Arthuriana than something like Fr. Lasance.
Think may be right.