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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Obelisk
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2023, 07:04:16 PM »
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  • How do you know if he was a good and holy pope?  Only God knows.  Our God is a jealous God who doesn’t like pagan statues.  I do know it’s pagan.  It seems many popes like to dabble with paganism.  Shame on the Catholics for accepting such nonsense and distractions from the true faith.  What is important artwork or spreading the Gospel of Jesus.  I’m sure while Priests were dodging bullets and the poor Catholics were going to Mass rocks, they were thinking about pagan statues.

    Jesus Christ now and forever.


    Fake popes like to dabble with paganism. You are seriously messed up due to your lack of knowledge and understanding of the papacy. :facepalm:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #16 on: January 02, 2023, 07:10:09 PM »
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  • Been reading Michael Hoffman lately, VCR?
    No. I am not a follower of Michael Hoffman.  I see most Of us don’t have our priorities in check when it comes to the Catholic Faith.  I’m not perfect either. 

    There  is a reason why most Catholics don’t know their faith because they are worshipping false idols and gods. 

    during penal days in Ireland, England and yes even in America, the people were persecuted for their faith.  They had little contact or knowledge of the papacy. They didn’t have time to pursue worldly pleasures.  

    Only the rich were messing with such foolishness such as secular plays, secular art and books, music,  etc.  Time and place for everything but there is way too much immaturity and ignorance.  Then there are those who view themselves as highly educated and know everything but are these people living the faith.   Do they follow man or Jesus? 

    The breaking down and attacks on Catholicism didn’t start with Bergolio.  It started long before him.  And maybe It had to do with a “a good and holy pope” from the past who should have made sure the Gospel was spread through out the world instead of wasting time on pagan statues.  What good is all this artwork when the majority of Catholics are going to hell because they are worshipping false gods and false idols.

    Freemasons love these Egyptian obelisks.  The devil created Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. 

    Look at the current condition of the counter church of satan which is currently shutting down true Catholicism.  A huge amount of Catholics reject The teachings of Jesus Christ and are leading the world to make mortal sins the laws of the land.  

    We have these bad Catholics even in traditional circles pushing a deadly vax which is global genocide and all you can do is worry about stupid materialistic stuff.  

    I’m worried about saving my soul. I’m trying to save other souls.   Pray to our God for the papacy to convert back to Catholicism. 



     









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    Offline Cornelius

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #17 on: January 02, 2023, 09:12:18 PM »
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  • How do you know if he was a good and holy pope?  Only God knows.  Our God is a jealous God who doesn’t like pagan statues.  I do know it’s pagan.  It seems many popes like to dabble with paganism.  Shame on the Catholics for accepting such nonsense and distractions from the true faith.  What is important artwork or spreading the Gospel of Jesus.  I’m sure while Priests were dodging bullets and the poor Catholics were going to Mass rocks, they were thinking about pagan statues.

    Jesus Christ now and forever.

    How are you even Catholic saying this stuff???
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #18 on: January 02, 2023, 09:15:19 PM »
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  • Pray to our God for the papacy to convert back to Catholicism.

    Sede vacante. If the "pope" needs to convert *back* to Catholicism, then he isn't actually the pope.
    One day at a time.

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #19 on: January 03, 2023, 08:33:30 AM »
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  • I'm not a big fan of obelisks either, as they definitely have a phallic aspect to them.  I know that at the Vatican there's a cross on top to symbolize that Christ has conquered paganism, but given the phallic backdrop ... it seems a bit strange.

    Of course, from above, the Vatican square looks like a keyhole ... symbolizing the keys of St. Peter.


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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #20 on: January 03, 2023, 08:36:21 AM »
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    This obelisk was put in St. Peter's Square by a good and holy pope many centuries ago. You should have more respect when you talk about things like this, especially if it's something you don't know much about. Shame on you.

    Ah, it's OK to have an opinion on such things.  I for one would sand-blast Michaelangelo's homoerotic stuff out of the Sistine chapel :laugh1:

    But if people can question things like whether various popes, some "good and holy", made mistakes in backing away from the Church's condemnation of heliocentrism, or usury, or in permitting the discussion of evolution, or NFP, or the 1950s Holy Week Rites, I think it's OK to (respectfully) question the appropriateness of some of this pagan art still floating around.  So long as one doesn't cast aspersions on the Church per se, i think it's OK.  Sometimes I think that SVism, in battling against the incredibly loose view of infallibility promoted by R&Rism, has overrreacted in the other direction.  I've heard some SVs claim that we can't question anything that appears in any book that bears an imprimatur ... effectively extending the scope of infallibility to an asurd extreme that could lend itself to mockery by anti-Catholics.  I think that a healthy balance is called for, similar to how Msgr. Fenton articulated it.

    Many popes have made prudential mistakes, Pope Leo XIII in articulating a principle about Sacred Scripture that, while not wrong, was inopportune in that the Modernists pounced on it to justify their udermining Sacred Scripture, Pius XII in the Holy Week Rites, evolution, NFP, Pius XI with regard to the Cristeros, Benedict XV with regard to rolling back St. Pius X's battle against Modernism, Pius XII in many of his episcopal appointments, etc.

    This is not the same thing as saying, with R&R, that the Pope can use his legitimate authority to thoroughly corrupt the Catholic religion.

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #21 on: January 03, 2023, 08:39:00 AM »
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  • How are you even Catholic saying this stuff???
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    I’m Catholic. I don’t get upset over obelisks and statues.  You as a Catholic should be more concerned of the loss of souls. You should be more concerned that the Catholic Faith has been replaced with pagan demonic worship. 
    You should be upset at the recent Catholic Church burning’s. 

    Popes are men; not God.  And one child raped is one child too many.  Normal reaction should have been of disgust.  How are you even Catholic when getting over a stupid statue in Rome instead of being upset over the loss of souls. 



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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #22 on: January 03, 2023, 08:53:15 AM »
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  • Yeah, it's a bit extreme (borderline absurd) to question your Catholic faith simply because you don't like obelisks.  That's to take the Church's inerrancy a bit too far.


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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #23 on: January 03, 2023, 09:24:36 AM »
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  • I’m Catholic. I don’t get upset over obelisks and statues.  You as a Catholic should be more concerned of the loss of souls. You should be more concerned that the Catholic Faith has been replaced with pagan demonic worship. 
    You should be upset at the recent Catholic Church burning’s.

    Popes are men; not God.  And one child raped is one child too many.  Normal reaction should have been of disgust.  How are you even Catholic when getting over a stupid statue in Rome instead of being upset over the loss of souls.

    This is such cope and seethe.

    1) you were saying that *many* popes were involved in paganism or dabbled in it. That's an extremely scandalous thing to say, especially without any actual proof or examples.

    2) this thread is about obelisks and pagan art in general, not abuse or loss of souls.

    3) I am not a priest. I have a hard enough time wrestling with myself, you expect me to clutch my pearls over what actual priests/bishops decided was ok hundreds of years ago? We literally have on demand porn now, tf you talking about??

    4) bringing up child abuse is a manipulative tacit. You're just trying to make yourself feel morally superior. You're not. You're on the internet just like the rest of us. Don't see you crying over the people that were exploited to make the computer or phone you're using? Pretty sure being exploited and abused for economic reasons is just as destructive to souls as some dumb obelisk that is literally just a status symbol.

    5) your accusatory tone is disrespectful and annoying.
    One day at a time.

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #24 on: January 03, 2023, 09:52:00 AM »
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  • This is such cope and seethe.

    1) you were saying that *many* popes were involved in paganism or dabbled in it. That's an extremely scandalous thing to say, especially without any actual proof or examples.

    2) this thread is about obelisks and pagan art in general, not abuse or loss of souls.

    3) I am not a priest. I have a hard enough time wrestling with myself, you expect me to clutch my pearls over what actual priests/bishops decided was ok hundreds of years ago? We literally have on demand porn now, tf you talking about??

    4) bringing up child abuse is a manipulative tacit. You're just trying to make yourself feel morally superior. You're not. You're on the internet just like the rest of us. Don't see you crying over the people that were exploited to make the computer or phone you're using? Pretty sure being exploited and abused for economic reasons is just as destructive to souls as some dumb obelisk that is literally just a status symbol.

    5) your accusatory tone is disrespectful and annoying.
    Cornelius, you've met our resident puritan. I've been down this road with her on other issues. It isn't worth stressing over.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #25 on: January 03, 2023, 09:54:37 AM »
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  • Obelisk should have been destroyed like the golden calf.  Such waste of time of money for a pagan monument.  Look at the pagan statue in USA (DC).  Symbols of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  God’s first Commandment tells you that the obelisk needs to be destroyed.  Worship God;not satan.  Most of the novus Ordo are pagans. 



    What website is this from? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #26 on: January 03, 2023, 10:24:55 AM »
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  • Obelisks indicate paganism?  Some, yes, probably if dedicated to pagan idols and used as such. Someone else said they’re phallic symbols?  Time to get your minds on better things!  
    In the early 1920’s a country road was built in my area that had approx. three foot high concrete obelisks as mile markers indicating the distance from northern and southern ends of the road carved into them.  I’ve never once seen anyone worship one, nor do I think of a phallus as I drive by!  (But now the thought is going to occur to me.)  
    There’s also am obelisk shaped monument in a town about 40 miles from my home. It has the names of those from the town who made the ultimate sacrifice in WWI.  So if I stop to read it, that makes me a phallus worshipping pagan?  Sorry, guys and gals, but that’s the last thing on my mind!  
    I also (gulp) own a short, squat obelisk shaped glass paper weight.  It has some sort of gel liquid inside of it with various sea creature shaped sequins.  When you shake it, the sea creatures move around until they slowly settle on the bottom.  I’ve never worshipped it or had impure thoughts while idly playing with it!  

    Please stop the rash judgments.  Viva, do you really think significant numbers of people on CI are into paganism and pornography?  Look up the Epistle of St. Paul to Titus, chapter one, verse 15!  

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #27 on: January 03, 2023, 10:44:19 AM »
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  • This is about as stupid and narrow-minded as those who think holding their hands in a specific gesture must ALWAYS mean they're a high-level Mason. :facepalm:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #28 on: January 03, 2023, 12:39:13 PM »
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  • Been reading Michael Hoffman lately, VCR?

    The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome is an eye opener for sure. 

    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #29 on: January 03, 2023, 01:12:29 PM »
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  • The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome is an eye opener for sure.


    It can be, I overall was not impressed with it. But I think he takes far too many Protestant-esque angles on things to the point where he "un-saints" the likes of St. Alphonsus and St. Pius X. It reminds me of those "truther" compilations made by Bitchute users that mixes a lot of truths with falsehoods about the Church.

    He also pushes this same exact stupid Prot talking point about the Roman obelisk as this thread. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]