Here is a way that you can answer that question that is provided by the Baltimore Catechism;A correct answer would be that if the person did not know that the Catholic Church is the true Faith (or words to that effect) then they could be saved.
Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.
Q. 511. Why do we say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the CatholicChurch to be the true Church?
A. We say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, because the necessary conditions are not often found, especially that of dying in a state of grace without making use of the Sacrament of Penance.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church
Here is a way that you can answer that question that is provided by the Baltimore Catechism;
I would answer the question the way the book presents it ... but I would write a comment next to it saying, "this is what the book says, but it is wrong". That way you do not implicitly profess heresy. Alternatively, you can write a disclaimer at the top of the test indicating, "I am answering these questions in accordance with the book, and these answers do not represent my own opinions, as I disagree with many of them."This could’ve worked except our tests are fully digital. If there is an essay which they expect me to write heretical things in then I will put “kreeft says...”. Also, my teacher who is a brother has told me in class (because I showed him infalliable quotes that contradict his Vatican II error) that I must “conform to the modern Catholic faith or you (me, CatholicInAmerica) will not be in this class or in this school” so I am trying to keep my faith and not get into too much trouble. My parents have sacrificed to afford the tuition so I’m just trying to finish out the year and never touch that place again.
It's unjust of them to penalize you for rejecting their heresy.
On the test from last year this was the biggest heresy I could find:
“99. “Outside the Church there is no salvation,” a formula from the early Church Fathers, means that non-Catholics cannot be saved. True or false”
They expect you to put false.
If there's no option to clarify, especially if it's just one, take the hit. People have given their lives and undergone torture in order not to make even a token denial of faith. I would simply answer true, get the point off, and carry on.I will pm you the specifics.
By the way, I'll put money on it that this school takes state funding. If this Brother goes on record one more time saying that you can't be in the school without conforming to their religion, then get that on record ... and you have a religious discrimination lawsuit.
I have a son in a similar situation. I advised him to give the incorrect "book answer" and then state very clearly that this is the wrong answer and not the Church teaching..... but.... and here is the big point... you CANNOT say that the true teaching is merely your opinion!!!! NEVER! This wreaks of a modernist "faith" where truth is lowered to your personal opinion.I’d do that if the test was paper format but it’s digital and on an iPad.
This is a great opportunity to gain a battle scar for Out Lord.
You are lucky. Don't blow it.
Stop digressing into individual topics. He just gave one thing as an example, as I'm sure there's no shortage of heresies being taught at your average Novus Ordo High School.In this example there is an out that is provided by the Baltimore Catechism. It is not a heresy to say that a person who is afflicted by an invincible ignorance can be saved if he has good will. the angels sang, "et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis." which means "and on earth peace to men of good will."
In this example there is an out that is provided by the Baltimore Catechism. It is not a heresy to say that a person who is afflicted by an invincible ignorance can be saved if he has good will. the angels sang, "et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis." which means "and on earth peace to men of good will."I know the Baltimore catechism answer isn’t well liked here, and Catholic in America doesn’t agree with it (which removes that option) but I have a hard time even pigeonholing that answer as a “false” answer to the quiz question. It’s more like “true, unless”
This school needs to do a better job of teaching you composition skills, IMHO.if I were worrying about my diction I’d be typing proper sentences and use appropriate punctuation. I’m not, however. I am posting to an Internet forum with strangers that don’t know who I am. It took me maybe 2 seconds each to type all my messages. I am not so worried about my composition as I am my soul.
But it is a LIE to falsify Scripture.We are not falsifying scripture by saying that those who invincibly do not know that the Catholic Church is the true Church can be saved.
I know the Baltimore catechism answer isn’t well liked here, and Catholic in America doesn’t agree with it (which removes that option) but I have a hard time even pigeonholing that answer as a “false” answer to the quiz question. It’s more like “true, unless”The Baltimore Catechism is the catechism that was used prior to Vatican II in the United States. Prior to coming to this forum the only criticism of the Baltimore Catechism came from modernist and modernist-friendly people who didn't like that it presented a solid background in what the Catholic Church taught.
We are not falsifying scripture by saying that those who invincibly do not know that the Catholic Church is the true Church can be saved.You falsified scripture when you claimed for your proud convenience:
Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301)
if I were worrying about my diction I’d be typing proper sentences and use appropriate punctuation. I’m not, however. I am posting to an Internet forum with strangerswhothatdon’t know who I am. It took me maybe 2 seconds each to type all my messages. I am not so worried about my composition as I am my soul.
if I were worrying about my diction I’d be typing proper sentences and use appropriate punctuation. I’m not, however. I am posting to an Internet forum with strangers that don’t know who I am. It took me maybe 2 seconds each to type all my messages. I am not so worried about my composition as I am my soul.Spork makes a good point.