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Offline Everlast22

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Novus Ordo Family Members
« on: December 14, 2023, 09:13:15 AM »
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  • As a Catholic raised in the Novus Ordo, I would love to get everyone's insight on:

    1. How you came to "Tradition". (Latin Mass, Understanding of Vat 2 before and after, going into SSPX, Sedevecantism, etc.)

    2. Why NO family members who know you are now traditional, don't want to embrace tradition, even when they know in the back of the minds, its the prudent/logical ideology as a faithful Catholic.

    3. Do you think established religious social circles have more weight than we think when it comes to major decisions like embracing tradition? (how many of us have lost friends/family for embracing tradition/having traditional lifestyle)

    4. Have you noticed Sedes and SSPX becoming more "friendlier" in the past couple of years?


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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #1 on: December 14, 2023, 10:25:48 AM »
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  • My family became traditional when I was a toddler, so I can't answer your questions directly, but:

    2. They thought we had gone crazy and joined a cult. I suspect this is a very common reaction in this situation.

    3. Most definitely.

    4. No.


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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #2 on: December 14, 2023, 10:46:54 AM »
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  • 1. Ironically, I wanted to learn more about the faith after I read the terrible Novus Ordo official catechism, so I found out about Tradition through the internet.

    2. Probably because it is more comfortable to stay Novus Ordo. Most don't care about the spiritual life anyway.

    3. Yes. For women especially. They don't like swimming against the tide.

    4. No. What I have noticed is that 80% of the people that go to the SSPX masses don't really know what it is all about. They are there for the chants and the incense I believe.

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #3 on: December 14, 2023, 11:43:48 AM »
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  • 1. I wasn't raised Christian but was dabbling in it in university and joined an Evangelical group to which I really disliked it. My brother told me about Catholicism (namely them not allowing divorce and contraception). I think he met some people on campus who introduced him to Catholicism. I was very troubled, especially about the contraception thing but after a while, I accepted that children were a blessing from God. In 2021, I went to some Catholic masses (NO) and watched some online, and it was okay, but much better than the Protestant worship services. I actually never heard of the TLM at that point. And then I got married to my husband in a NO church (long story) and I wanted to do RCIA with the local NO priest in our area. I learned about Catholicism mostly from YouTubers and articles. I came across one YouTuber who brought up veiling and "submission to husband" and I was intrigued. She mentioned "FishEaters" very briefly and I checked out their site and it was very informative. I then joined the forum in 2022 and noticed how it was very strange that there was a tranny being promoted by the mod. I then checked out the other two forums like this one and SD and noticed how it was way more conservative than FishEaters namely CI.

    I still haven't attended a TLM and I was unaware of the SSPX, FSSP, indult, etc. I was able to attend one (indult) when I was visiting my parents in the city. I also wanted to attend a SSPX because I was curious but my brother told me that was a bad idea and they're schismatic, etc. Of course, I was confused, and over time, I realized there are different "tiers" of Catholics.

    I finished my RCIA with the NO priest and was baptized in April 2023 and our daughter the following month. I stopped attending the NO afterwards because I truly think it's a danger to one's faith. Earlier, I had thoughts of me bringing tradition to this dying NO parish and veiling but at the end, that was just wishful thinking. In 2023, I was getting desperate and contacted Una Voce in Manitoba, Canada, and I was disappointed by their response, saying that their indult parish probably won't make it in the future. And the archbishop was already hostile to TLMs... And I turned to the SSPX and realized that their modus operandi was way better. They didn't have to have permission to offer the TLM and they did missions. We lived very isolated that the nearest SSPX was more than 3 hours away (doable in the warmer months though). However, I saw that they did a mission that was less than 2 hours away and I convinced my husband to drive us there.

    I attended the mission in the summer of 2023 twice and it was nice seeing the women veil and dress modestly. However, some weird things happened like people saying the responses, women veiling and wearing pants, and people letting their children act disrespectful. I have yet to visit the main SSPX chapel in the city but the mission one had mostly older people which was a bummer and one woman even asked to hold our baby and she was a stranger.

    Anyways, I'm finally able to accept the SSPX position, especially on the NO but I do see how the SSPX is becoming modernist. Especially, the fact that they did a wedding at a NO parish in my province. As for sedes, I sympathize with their position and don't have a huge problem with them. Someone on this forum told me about a Resistance priest that do mass near me but he told me that I should continue going to the SSPX and grow with them. I am a beginner in this so this advice made sense.

    2. I made a hard decision to tell my NO priest that I won't be coming back to the parish (it's a very small rural one) but he respected my decision and understood why. As well as for my sponsors and the baby's, I believe they stopped initiating contact around that time, but I wasn't very close with them anyways.

    3. Maybe. For example, the Anabaptist communities don't get alot of criticism.

    4. Yes, the SSPX. I don't know about the Sedes. I'm assuming you mean "friendlier" as in modernist.

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2023, 12:02:43 PM »
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  • 1. Conscious decision of my my parents in the 1980s. My mom had been a Franciscan nun before and during Vatican 2. She left in 1967 as soon as her congregation of OSF started going crazy. All that is left of her Franciscan sisters after 55 years is a bunch of modernist lesbians engaged in radical leftist politics.

    2. Novus Ordo extended family -- what little is left since most are now no religion -- just do not care.

    3. Again, most people do not care. Secularism is the dominant ideology now.

    4. No...er...rather H-E-Double Hockey Sticks NO!
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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #5 on: December 14, 2023, 02:40:58 PM »
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  • 1. I grew up among cultural Catholics who, after the oldest generation was gone, were lukewarm/indifferent. I knew nothing about V2 till after I reverted a couple years ago in a road-to-Damascus sort of way. (Lockdowns + big life changes, Divine Providence to the rescue.) When I returned, the NOM just felt really wrong on a visceral level. It reminded me of the horrid 1970s but also, thankfully, of how much better it was way back when I was still too little to get it. I started researching and looking around, and it all clicked.

    2. Two factors, they're attached to person-centered practices, and they're reluctant to face up to what Tradition teaches about sin. 

    On the first factor, something like thinking it's OK for women to lead the Rosary if there's an adult male present; if they can't even see that the women shouldn't so much as take turns leading the decades, then they'll resist the truth of the far more serious abuses in NOM liturgical and Eucharistic practices. On the second factor, the conciliar false shepherds have condoned so much that we know to be disordered and blasphemous, thus people use that as cover for skipping Penance and for making excuses for what they see around them every day.

    3. Absolutely. People can't/won't deal with being confused/isolated, so they'll stick with what's familiar over what's right. Choosing Tradition means having to shun certain social situations and stand firm no matter how lonely it gets. Sometimes you have to explain yourself calmly and clearly out of charity to those closest to you, sometimes it's better to stay silent. Pray to the Holy Ghost for guidance! 

    4. With each other? No. 
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #6 on: December 14, 2023, 06:21:04 PM »
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  • 1. The heretical new ordinands coming to our parish coupled with the outrageous shenanigans of the 1970s convinced my parents that we would lose the Faith if we continued to attend the local NO church. We left in 1980 when I was 14. Around the time we left, a buddhist monk was brought into the sanctuary, bare torso, back to the tabernacle, to teach us how to do buddhist meditation (had we ever been taught how to do Catholic meditation do you think???). We prayed the Mass prayers in Latin from the old missal at home every Sunday. About three months later, Dad was reading the classifieds in the local newspaper which advertised the Latin Mass in someone's home offered by one of those valiant priests of the original resistance. There was no looking back...

    2. Human respect, wanting to be like all their peers, and... worst of all... locking themselves into that path by marrying a NO spouse bitterly opposed to Tradition, and then come the children brought up with all the values of the world... they love the world and everything in it. It's tragic - outside of Sunday 'Mass' (?) they do not mention the name of God or want to take part in any discussion about Him, the do not pray, no grace before meals even, no holy pictures in the home... God have mercy!

    3. It is predominantly the non-religious social circles in this case which they feel free to keep but which Traditional Catholic would eschew. The religious contacts would certainly do nothing to disturb the 'peace' of their conscience.

    4. Sadly, after the Resistance formed and not a few graduated to the sedes, I have experienced more the opposite.


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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #7 on: December 14, 2023, 07:43:05 PM »
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  • As a Catholic raised in the Novus Ordo, I would love to get everyone's insight on:

    1. How you came to "Tradition". (Latin Mass, Understanding of Vat 2 before and after, going into SSPX, Sedevecantism, etc.)
    Dimond's videos. Basically binged watched all of his newer content and some of the older stuff that wasn't rehashed, and read the articles on his site. By and through God's grace of course.
    2. Why NO family members who know you are now traditional, don't want to embrace tradition, even when they know in the back of the minds, its the prudent/logical ideology as a faithful Catholic.
    They don't understand or care or want to know about the differences. I would say they are content. Also I think my uncompromising attitude of certain positions might be a hindered. I refuse to attend family member 'weddings' that aren't valid.
    3. Do you think established religious social circles have more weight than we think when it comes to major decisions like embracing tradition? (how many of us have lost friends/family for embracing tradition/having traditional lifestyle)
    No idea.
    4. Have you noticed Sedes and SSPX becoming more "friendlier" in the past couple of years?
    No idea.


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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #8 on: December 14, 2023, 10:46:41 PM »
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  • 1) I was a NO Catholic till I was 11.  My mom stopped going to Mass.  I tried NO again in High School, didn't like it. Tried the Protestant route through marrying in a Methodist church (1998). My husband wanted to convince his best friend to become Methodist. (2001) Discovered that Catholicism was the true religion of Christ (2002). Joined the NO, quickly saw that the new Mass didn't match up with Catholic Tradition.  Found an Indult Latin Mass (2002). Made a choice between FSSP and SSPX, chose FSSP.  Moved (2007) only indult available.  Priest made us upset.  Found an Independent TLM (Fr. Ringrose) (2010).  We still go to Mass in Vienna, Va.

    2) My mom returned to the NO in 2002, it is just easier to be where she is, though she has no objection to what we do and comes to all the First Communions. My Dad, was a non practicing Methodist, who is finally taking classes to become a NO Catholic.  Everything happens in baby steps.  My husband's family is protestant (not practicing) and thinks we are too religious.

    3) Unfortunately my social circles keep breaking up due to the Crisis in the Church and people keep trying to figure out what is happening with the Pope.

    4) It is hard to say.  I am friends with people in different camps.  I think everyone is just getting tired of being in this Crisis too long.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #9 on: December 14, 2023, 11:44:49 PM »
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  • 1. Was brought up going to Mass, non-negotiable in my home, but didn’t really know anything, thanks to non-existent catechesis.  Questioned everything in college and started on 30 year spiritual journey wherein I almost systematically explored every flavor of Protestantism, with exceptions of groups such as Mormons, JW’s, etc.  All were found wanting.  I read, read, and read some more until I came to the conclusion I believed what Catholics were supposed to believe.  Went to novus ordo for maybe two months, weekday Mass in evenings, was disappointed.  Keep in mind I’d never heard of Tradition although I did know Mass used to be in Latin, and I had vague memories of attending Mass in Latin with my grandmother on visits when I was very young, like ages 2-4 years. I’d purchased a Fr. Lasance daily missal and had begun trying to study and use during novus ordo!  It was nearly impossible and why was there the Jєωιѕн blessing over bread in English at the consecration? I can recite it in Hebrew, and why wasn’t there the same over the wine?  I quit going to the novus ordo and to church altogether.  At that point, I was “invited” as one of a group of about 20 people, to a temporary work colleague’s son’s Confirmation.  She was an odd woman that others at work made fun of behind her back and a few even deliberately excluded her from casual socializing. I despise this sort of thing, cliques, cattiness, gossip, backbiting, and decided to go.  I didn’t know her very well and didn’t know her son at all.  To my astonishment, I found myself at a Latin Mass!  After the Mass, there was a reception at which I introduced myself in terror to that scary British Bishop whose sermon had put the fear of God into me.  I had a dozen questions for him scrawled on a piece of scrap paper.  I needed to know the answers, like, immediately!  After a second impromptu conference, he graciously gave me about 45 minutes of his time, calmed me down, and answered them. The rest is history.  
    2. The question is no longer applicable since my parents passed away.  And even they wanted the Sacraments in the Latin Rite when they became ill and homebound.  The rest of few remaining family are “not religious,” the one surviving older relative Baptized, the rest, no.  When filling out docuмents that ask for religion, they write that most numerous of American creeds, “none.”  
    3. From what I’ve observed from childhood onward, the majority of humans take decisions in packs.  Yes, I have lost the few close Protestant friends I had, my remaining family don’t care about my religious practices, and I lost my job and ability to earn a living for refusing Dr. Fauxi’s remedy.  I’ve always been the odd one out dating back to Miss Fernandez’s Nursery School.  So nothing has changed in that arena.  
    4. I’m friendly to almost everyone unless/until there’s a reason not to be.  I can’t really say as I’m not involved in any close social circles involving SSPX and Sedevacantists.  I’m not sure how to categorize myself on that issue, but I will state that I do not participate in fights over it.  

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #10 on: December 14, 2023, 11:52:27 PM »
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  • To my astonishment, I found myself at a Latin Mass!  After the Mass, there was a reception at which I introduced myself in terror to that scary British Bishop whose sermon had put the fear of God into me.  I had a dozen questions for him scrawled on a piece of scrap paper.  I needed to know the answers, like, immediately!  After a second impromptu conference, he graciously gave me about 45 minutes of his time, calmed me down, and answered them. The rest is history. 
    Was that Bishop Williamson, Seraphina? Amazing the way God works with different souls, we should be more apostolic like your old lady work friend. A comment of Archbishop Lefebvre that made a great impression on me was "one of the biggest mistakes we make is to underestimate the religious sentiment of our neighbour".


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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #11 on: December 14, 2023, 11:56:07 PM »
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  • 1. How you came to "Tradition". (Latin Mass, Understanding of Vat 2 before and after, going into SSPX, Sedevecantism, etc.)

    By the Grace of God.  Dimond videos, and a couple others were very instrumental in it.  Then started to study all sides of it to see why people came to the conclusions they did, etc.

    2. Why NO family members who know you are now traditional, don't want to embrace tradition, even when they know in the back of the minds, its the prudent/logical ideology as a faithful Catholic.


    They don't accept Church Teaching on EENS or they also don't like The Church stance on many issues concerning 6th and 9th.  

    3. Do you think established religious social circles have more weight than we think when it comes to major decisions like embracing tradition? (how many of us have lost friends/family for embracing tradition/having traditional lifestyle)

    Yes.  I lost many family and friends and good job opportunities for embracing Catholicism.  Many want to "fit in" so they won't embrace anything that is too controversial, which being an actual Catholic is to the world since we don't compromise.

    4. Have you noticed Sedes and SSPX becoming more "friendlier" in the past couple of years?

    Not sure what is being asked here.  Friendlier to each other or just friendlier in general.  I think both sides still fight and some are Dogmatic on both sides but in general it seems many are more understanding towards each other than maybe 10 years ago.  






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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #12 on: December 15, 2023, 06:56:00 AM »
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  • In regards to question 4, I meant to say do you feel the SSPX churches and Sede Churches have been more "welcoming" to new folks, especially due to revelation after revelation. I'm asking because the SSPX and Sedes are growing. 

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #13 on: December 15, 2023, 07:36:14 AM »
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  • 1) I was Protestant, anti-Catholic in fact, until 2011. I had a friend in college that I would argue with a lot about Catholicism. He was Catholic. One time he told me something that bothered me so much I had to prove him wrong. It sent me down a rabbit hole and I ended up reading a lot of books and came to the conclusion I needed to be Catholic. So I went to the nearest Mass to me. The priest gave me the creeps. He had pasty white skin, dark eyes, and he spoke in a mono-tone almost. He was beyond ho-hum. But I kept going to Mass for a few weeks because I was convinced I needed to be Catholic. When I contacted the priest and told him I wanted to be Catholic, he said, “Ok, classes start on X date.” That’s it. So I called up my friend and told him he was crazy if he thought anyone would want to be Catholic after going to Mass. There was a long pause and then he told me I needed to go to A Traditional Latin Mass. Annoyed, I asked him why he didn’t tell me that in the first place and he admitted it was because he didn’t know if I was ready to hear about the crisis in the church. He didn’t realize my local NO parish was so bad.

    So I went to a TLM Mass and was stunned speechless.

    I went home and I prayed the Rosary for the 1st time. It took me 1.5 hours to get through because I wept at every Hail Mary. I knew I had arrived and there was no looking back.

    2.In my case, none of my family was Catholic. However, I knew a lot of NO Catholics. They don’t want to make the switch to tradition because it is too arduous. It would mean no more NFP for birth control, it would cause disruptions with their friends and family and it would cause them discomfort in their comfortable religion.

    3. Absolutely. It is hard to reject family customs and swim against the tide. It is especially hard for young unmarried women. Or maybe I just think that because that’s what I was at the time. Our Catholic lifestyle puts considerable strain on family relationships and makes it hard to find friends. 

    4.I’m not sure.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: Novus Ordo Family Members
    « Reply #14 on: December 15, 2023, 08:27:52 AM »
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  • "I had a friend in college that I would argue with a lot about Catholicism. He was Catholic. One time he told me something that bothered me so much I had to prove him wrong. It sent me down a rabbit hole and I ended up reading a lot of books and came to the conclusion I needed to be Catholic"
    Please tell us what he told you.

    Everything you say confirms what I know about every adult convert. Those who convert seek the truth and aren't afraid to go looking.