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Offline copticruiser

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« on: December 16, 2013, 01:52:38 AM »
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  • Not trying to judge or ridicule but in recent years I have yet to find a Real live man comparable to my husband. ( not gonna let him read this!!)

    What Im finding about the male population is yeah they could be cute or hard working or knowlegable but I have yet to find one that isn't affected by feminism.

    There are even studies to suggest that the pitch in mens voices is getting higher. With all of modern day conveinences I have yet to find the rough tough hands like steel heart like gold man.

    Some do try I suppose but to find men that love to be out in the elements and pay no head to hair, music, fashion, holidays, restarants, entertainment. Im sorry but I think I have met 5 in about 30yrs.

    So now I have a bit of a worry. you see I have a growing family and they too like men to be men and women to be women.

    I find women are to manly and agrressive ( I also have the tendency) Ever watch some of those old time movies. The women are not only elegant and modest they have soft dispositions. In their facial in their voice in the way they carry themselves.

    Im sorry but I think there is a major role reversal that has occurred and even myself included got deceived. Not sure how to reclaim it but I think its good to point out.

    Im annoyed that deceit has occurred on every single level of life. Religion, Health, Fashion, Politics, Food, Pharma even our very nature.

    Amazing how one has to research almost everything. Thankfully God gives answers but they don't fall on our heads we have to look for them.



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    « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 01:58:25 AM »
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  • It's that bad in Canada.. Wow.
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    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 01:58:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: copticruiser

    Some do try I suppose but to find men that love to be out in the elements and pay no head to hair, music, fashion, holidays, restarants, entertainment. Im sorry but I think I have met 5 in about 30yrs.


    One can be interested in some of these things and still be masculine. There is nothing effeminate about dressing well or appreciating good music, for example.

    I agree with your general point though.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 02:21:28 AM »
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    It's that bad in Canada.. Wow.


     
    You do realize that Canadians are born tough as they have to deal with 40 below winter weather (that's celcius by the way)

    The idea of California beaches and palm trees are non existent. So if Canadian ever get soft Id hate to see what would happen to the Americans?

    Y all got the population as y all got the great weather.

    Live or die up here in the north especially where we live

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    « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2013, 06:33:06 AM »
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  • If you're already married why are you looking and comparing?
     
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    Just kidding.

    Of course there are men like your husband.  There are just not that many that you stumble across them, but most Trad parishes have one or two.

    And if a man is not interested in any of the following, hair, music, fashion, holidays, restarants, entertainment, then in my experience he might very well struggle to find a woman, as even Trad women tend to like men who enjoy or have SOME of these things.

    Very few women for example would pick a bald man over a man with a full head of hair, all other things being equal.  It varies by culture, but the USA is probably the most looks obsessed culture in the world, followed closely by Italy.

    Truth is that most people weigh up the wrong things when getting married.  Women would be MUCH better off leaving their potential husband babysitting at their older sister's house for a week to see whether he can change diapers and get through a regular day as a family man.  Can he fix stuff around the home, can he iron his own shirt and most importantly can he play with children, especially young children, and keep them entertained.  Leave a man in his early twenties alone with a toddler for 3 hours and see how he copes keeping the kid entertained, fed, changed.  You'll be surprised at how many hit the wall after 60-90 mins.

    Can he discipline children and walk the fine line between being a tyrant and a push-over.  A weak over indulgent father is an awful cross for a mother.  It is the father that should, and usually does, stop the children being spoiled brats.

    That is what a Catholic couple do a LOT of.  They don't go to restaurants very often and as for fashion for the first 10-20 years some tot is throwing up on Dad every other day so wearing fastionable clothes is totally impractical.  It just gives you more washing and ironing.

    In short, don't marry the man he is today but rather the man he will likely be in 10 years time.  If the basic potential ain't there you're hoping against hope that you will "change him".



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    « Reply #5 on: December 16, 2013, 11:59:37 AM »
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  • This role reversal must be a key component of the diabolical disorientation of the degenerate society we live in. It is alarming and quite disturbing.

    Another devastating consequence of the evil of Feminism. What in the world were women thinking? What have we brought upon ourselves?
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    « Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 12:01:41 PM »
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  • Well said, Ggreg.

    Men should lead their families in all things they should be doing though, and that certainly includes celebration of Catholic Holy Days. I'm not sure what you were criticizing when you added "holidays" to your list.

    Men should also have the guts (and ability) to sing and dance, even in public as well as cut down trees, do hard manual labor, etc. It's part of being a man, in my opinion.

    There is nothing feminine about singing. The best singing comes from a male voice box. Even many women agree with me!

    I believe there are different types of "real man", and your "catch", copticcruiser, is only one of them. Obviously he was the type of man you were looking for, and the man God had planned for you.

    But a man NOT involved in agriculture/logging can still be 100% masculine as well :)

    I agree that the ridiculous term "metrosɛҳuąƖ" is just a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ minus the sodomy. Men should not be concerned with their hair, nails, fashion, etc. They also shouldn't be concerned with their looks, especially once they're married.

    They shouldn't be wimps; they should be able to tolerate a wide range of heat and cold without complaining; be willing to get stuff done even when the weather is inclement (without complaining), etc. That is part of being masculine.

    Countless Americans complain if the temperature drops below 70, or if it goes above 80.
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    « Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 02:39:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: copticruiser
    Im sorry but I think there is a major role reversal that has occurred and even myself included got deceived. Not sure how to reclaim it but I think its good to point out.

    Im annoyed that deceit has occurred on every single level of life. Religion, Health, Fashion, Politics, Food, Pharma even our very nature.

    Amazing how one has to research almost everything. Thankfully God gives answers but they don't fall on our heads we have to look for them.


    Yes copticruiser, you are quite right!  It surprises me that Trad Catholics in particular are unaware of the deception that has corrupted ALL aspects of living as you say.  I think that each of the areas that you mentioned are so blatantly corrupted that you have to be hiding your head in the sand to not see it.  

    Yes, it is sad that one has to research everything oneself in order to discern the truth.  


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    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 04:23:15 PM »
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  • Great feed back! Nah I love my husband but Im sure there are a few other variations of masculinity.

    Men who have physically worked hard and their bodies show it is wonderful but in a society where most men have limited physical activity they seem to become soft?

    The role of man as all can see has been belittled so much but what is worse and many don't realize is


    Men use to physically protect their families   WE NOW HAVE POLICE

    Men use to physically build a home, fix their vehicals,  WE HAVE CARPENTERS
                                                                                   WE HAVE VECHICALS

    Men use to hunt their wild game and butcher it too        WE HAVE STORES
                                                                                     WE HAVE BUTCHERS

     You see where Im going with this?  Its good to acknowledge and think about this sort of thing. Personally I use most of the above services provided but to think at one time  THE MAN WAS IN CHARGE OF IT.

    How much have we allowed they system to take over in our everyday lives?

    My thoughts

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    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 04:46:17 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Conversely, women used to make thread, weave cloth,  and then make clothing out of it.  Today, we have stores or even more simple, click on our choice of garment.  Women used to render lard and make soap.  They used to go to the rocks along the river or use a tub and scrub board.  Today, they pop the laundry in the washer/dryer.  Women used to grow, harvest, and can produce.  They used to brew ale.  They used to deliver babies.  They used to make, change, and wash diapers.  They used to raise babies through toddlerhood and then educate them in the Faith and academic basics.  Today, we have supermarkets, Fresh Direct, the hospital, Pampers, daycare, Headstart, "children's church," and public schools.  
    Boys used to play outdoors, climb trees, fall out of trees, wrestle and box, play war or cops and robbers.  Girls used to play with baby dolls, make paper dolls, play dress-up, have tea parties, go on excursions and picnics.  Today, children text and play virtual games on electronic screens.  Gender is irrelevant.  
    Let's face it, ALL have become self-centered, materialistic softies.
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    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 04:52:53 PM »
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    It's that bad in Canada.. Wow.


     
    You do realize that Canadians are born tough as they have to deal with 40 below winter weather (that's celcius by the way)


    Sorry, but I can't resist pointing out that -40 degrees is the same temperature in both Celsius and Farenheit.  It's the one place where the two methods of measuring temperature align.

    And, for the record, it often gets that cold in the prairies of Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota and in the North Woods of Minnesota.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 08:47:04 PM »
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    Men should also have the guts (and ability) to sing and dance, even in public as well as cut down trees, do hard manual labor, etc. It's part of being a man, in my opinion.

    There is nothing feminine about singing. The best singing comes from a male voice box. Even many women agree with me!

    I believe there are different types of "real man", and your "catch", copticcruiser, is only one of them. Obviously he was the type of man you were looking for, and the man God had planned for you.

    But a man NOT involved in agriculture/logging can still be 100% masculine as well :)


    I'll admit my H is probably closer to copticruiser's than ..well, my dad. Very different men, but both very hearty. Husband is white collar on paper, blue collar in real life. He could live in a tree. I cannot. But when neighbors need him, or our city, etc, he's there. They love him because he's very helpful, isn't scared of things, hits the nail on the head, and in the middle of a meeting that's gone on and on about hiring someone to clean gutters, he's known to walk out and clean them himself, without bragging or even saying anything until he comes back in and asks for a moment on the floor, then says, "Done." It's just so darned cool it's hard not to take extraordinary pride in it  :laugh1:

    I hear you copticruiser! But he sings enough. My dad definitely sang, as well, though his problem-solving was more on the phone rather than on the roof. Neither abide wasting time sitting on a committee for hours over a simple thing.

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    I've got to agree with ggreg and Matthew etc on the singing thing, though. Hearing men sing their parts is mind-blowing. My oldest son, a musician, can bring tears to the eyes. (In the good way.) He's a bass, very deep, with good range. He's also a pianist. In fact, one university is trying to tempt him with scholarship money IF he changes his desired major (which, this week, is some branch of engineering) to some branch of music. It's very difficult for him to decide because money. While he loves music, the performing arts community is notoriously Sodomite, and he'd like to keep music to the "hobby/perform occasionally" level, and participate in the university's program more as a minor (far fewer credit hours). It's hard because the package they're talking about would basically make college free, including clothes **pounds head**, but who cares if you're not taking the classes you want to take. I am sorry for the pressure he feels. The university wants more male music majors though. ggreg any advice you have would be appreciated. (Son varies from Classics/History major to Engineering; he'd also like to continue music, but only a few credit hours a semester.)

    Clothes
    All the men in our family claim I'm a bit "too modern" in my men's apparel tastes!!! Actually, they call my tastes "gαy".  :stare:

    I am not a boy or a man; I buy what I see at J Crew or whatever store because the boys/men in our family refuse to shop for themselves. :/ I am NOT good at selecting mens' products. At all. Except tuxes, which I've got down pat. I usually get pulled into the "buy this scarf to compliment this outfit" sale, and the men/boys are like, "Uh, Mom? NO!"  :facepalm: If they would just take a moment to make a list, or TELL me, they wouldn't have a closet of unused (but very handsome, imo) clothing.

    I'm surprised you haven't run into this issue, copti. I'm seriously curious now, since it's been brought up and Christmas is a week away (YAY! Happy ADVENT! (Rose Sunday; we read those for dinner this week.) It's sped by!!!). Maybe it's new-thread worthy, but what kind of clothes do men wear that aren't "Sodomite"/gαy/etc. Are scarves really that bad? Pull-on sweaters? My dad and uncles wore scarves and that tweed beanie thing; the occasional fisherman's sweater that's apparently "gαy" now. *sigh* (Daddy still enjoys his fisherman's sweater. I guess that's what they're called: white, cables running down their length, soft soft soft and cozy). I know nothing about men. —except they all like rugged-looking Clark's shoes. That, I've got down.
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    « Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 12:27:37 AM »
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  • Am I allowed to mention that Justin Beiber is Canadian, or is that going to get me hunted down and killed ?

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    « Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 01:34:46 AM »
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  • Who's Justin Beiber :reading:?
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    « Reply #14 on: December 19, 2013, 09:08:28 AM »
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  • This is a really tough topic, I think, because first of all there's no one right answer, and because appearances can be sooooo deceiving.

    For example, I have an uncle who's a farmer in the northern part of the US.  He's as tough as they come, I've gone to visit him and we've had to split wood in -10 weather and worked for hours when it was below 10 degrees out (all temps in Fahrenheit).  He doesn't really have any super nice clothes, when he goes to church he wears his one pair of dress pants and one of his 3 button down shirts.  None of them are in good shape and when we go out to dinner with his wife and kids, he just wears jeans and a t-shirt.  

    Basically he's a manly man who "pays no heed to fashion, restaurants, movies" etc.  But I think that he would have an issue finding a good wife if he wasn't already married.  To all you single Catholic women out there, would you really want a husband who didn't dress nicely to go to church or to go out on a date?  I think you can't just say that you want a man who pays no heed to fashion and honestly think that you would date them.  On the other hand, if you just mean a man who isn't swayed by the "fashions of the week" and want a man who dresses nicely but is still tough as nails and very "manly" then I think that's reasonable.

    Also, I think that there are just fewer "manly men" out there today with "manly" professions because there just aren't as many professions.  There aren't as many farmers, lumberjacks etc out there and the ones that are don't go to a TLM because there just aren't that many TLMs out where that guy is going to work.  Most TLMs are in major cities (emphasis on the MOST there, I know that there are exceptions) and the men in those cities (if they are making a decent income) aren't going to be the ones with "manly" jobs.  

    For example I happen to think I'm a manly guy.  I love being outdoors, splitting wood, working on my uncle's farm, camping, skiing, sailing, being outside in all the elements, but I have to work in an office building 40 hours a week.  That doesn't lend itself to having tough, callused hands, but if you were to see my hands after a week long regatta or a 50 mile day in a canoe, I think you would say that I'm a manly guy.

    I guess my underlying thought here is, be grateful for your husband (for the OP) and don't judge other guys on their outer appearances.
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