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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2013, 09:28:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    All my friends married Catholics and today, none of them are Catholic, none attend Church anymore or if they do its the novus ordo.  


    You cannot say none of them are still Catholics just because they attend the NO.

    Going to the NO does not mean a person is no longer Catholic.

    I'm just curious how many fellows might come to the conclusion is that religion is something to adopt after you're married several years, because it seems a large proportion of Catholic women are repelled by it and don't court or marry according to Church doctrine.

    How many innocent courtships between Catholics exist today?

    The message to Catholic men (not by words, but by deeds) is that they are chumps and extremely lucky to marry any trad girl they can find after waiting as long as meddlesome people dictate.  Then they are lucky to be servile to their wives, and if they end up divorced or betrayed, that's their tough luck, no one is going to really care.

    The impression is given that one might as well act like a pagan until a stable family life is obtained.  Otherwise, you will face contempt, exploitation, and rejection for being religious, while non-Catholics or men not acting like Catholics will be favored by the women and possibly even their parents.


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    « Reply #16 on: June 07, 2013, 09:38:21 AM »
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  • I'd say there are plenty of men on this forum pursuing non Traditional women.

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    « Reply #17 on: June 07, 2013, 09:48:30 AM »
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    I'd say there are plenty of men on this forum pursuing non Traditional women.

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    Evidence?

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    « Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 09:57:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Hello all,

    I am "cradle" Catholic raised in the Novus Ordo, grew apart from the Faith in my teenager years, and since my first daughter was born I have returned to the Catholic Faith, never to come back to the Novus Ordo. I attend a SSPX Chapel now. The problem is that I married a non- Catholic man. Not only he is not Catholic but he is anti-Catholic, raised in a ultra feminist, liberal, and pagan environment. We married in a Novus Ordo ceremony back in my early youth.

    He is a good man, and a good provider. We have 3 children now. He works extremely rough hours so I can stay home and homeschool the children even though he is opposed to the idea of traditional roles. He does not interfere with the children being raised Catholic and even takes us to and from Church, but I know too well, the importance of a father in leading the family's Faith. I worry that my children will not grow up to be real Catholics if he does not convert from the heart and not matter how much I try, my children will always have that relativistic, egalitarian, progressive views that his father continuously displays and that I am so against.

    What should I do? Is there anyway I can help my husband convert? or should I just accept my mistake, bear my cross, give up and accept that there will never be real unity in our home?

    Thank you!


    My situation is very close to yours, I grew up Novus Ordo and lost my faith although I was always open to arguments that could restore my faith. My faith was restored when my wife was pregnant with our first child, it was exactly at this time when I discovered tradition.

    Anyhow my wife was not Catholic but we were married in a Catholic Church, we were attending the novus ordo intermittently and she was open to conversion.

    After I discovered tradition I made a big effort to educate her and and myself and to start the rosary, she did convert but it wasn't a very deep conversion, regardless we said the rosary often and I prayed for her to grow in the faith. Then about 20 months later we were informed that someone had bought the condo we were renting and they wanted us to move and they would pay our moving expenses. So, we had to find a new house quickly. To make a long story short, we found a nice apartment for a pretty good price. The family next door turned out to be a very conservative and dedicated Novus Ordo Catholics. The next thing you know the woman next door, who was older, had taken my wife under her wing and impressed  upon her the importance of the faith.

    BTW, I and the family next door have had it out over Novus ordo but there was never any bad feelings. Of course its always hard to prove divine providence but I certainly felt that it was providence that put us next door to them.

    One advantage I had was that my wife had no ill feelings towards Catholicism, in Korea the Catholic Church still has a good reputation. My dad on the other hand does have contempt for Christianity. He, also, was a very good provider, father and husband but he had feminist ideas and all the problems you mention.

    I still haven't managed to get through to him, although I'm still trying. I've made him watch No Intelligence Allowed (about the evolution fraud) and I tried to make him watch MAAFA 21 (about the targetting of blacks by the abortion industry) but he wouldn't go for it. I still think that's the way to go though, bursting his little bubbles about evolution and women's rights. I keep repeating, "The Catholic Church was the best thing that ever happened for women"  whenever we have a conversation about this in hopes to impress it upon his mind.

    Good luck and God bless your efforts.

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    « Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 10:52:51 AM »
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  • Myrna, I find it a bit disturbing that you seem to think so lightly of mixed marriages. Yours may have worked out ok, but the majority don't. Mixed marriages are extremely dangerous and should never be encouraged.

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    I doubt your husband is truly anti-Catholic either, usually a true anti-Catholic would never allow their children to be raised Catholic.  Think about it, why would they, if they themselves are so against it. 


    You'd be surprised. You don't have the same experience with these types that I do.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 11:14:05 AM »
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  • You know SS, this entire thread is not about mixed marriages per se, it is about a young women ALREADY married to a non-Catholic.  

    Perhaps you would have thumbed up my note if I said, just forget this guy, he is not worth it!  YET! They are already married, not thinking of getting married, but MARRIED.  So she was asking for some advice and I gave her my personal experience.

    I find there are so many here on Cathinfo that believe God can not make lemonaide out of lemons in various situations.  That attitude makes SAD FACES.

    My beautiful granddaughter just got married last April, and I thank God she married the IDEAL, a traditional Catholic.  

    You and Tele both WANT to believe that I would have preferred she married a non-Catholic so she could convert him.  I get this feeling from you both because you insist that I encourage mixed marriages, but if someone is already in one, there is hope you know.   As long as the non-Catholic is breathing, God has answered her prayer for another day.  That is the way I look at it. FWIW to you both.  

    btw, I APOLOGIZE that my marriage was such a success, and my non-Catholic husband died a Traditional Catholic and saved his soul.   What a tragedy.

     

     

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    « Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 11:17:18 AM »
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    You and Tele both WANT to believe that I would have preferred she married a non-Catholic so she could convert him.


    That's nonsense.  Neither of us believe that or want to believe it.

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    I get this feeling from you both because you insist that I encourage mixed marriages


    Your arguments do practically suggest it makes little difference whether one marries a Catholic or not.

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    but if someone is already in one, there is hope you know.


    Of course.  I was simply making an observation:

    Sometimes it seems to be an advantage with Catholic women to be non-Catholic or non-practicing.  Such men seem to be treated better, and I'm dead serious when I say that.  I really do think they're treated with more respect.

    And when you hear how many trad couples got together when one or the other or both were not practicing Catholics, it makes you wonder how easy it is for two Catholics to marry innocently in this day and age.

    There does seem to be a not so hidden scorn for such people among many ostensible trads- (I'm not accusing you) -

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    « Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 12:47:16 PM »
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  • Thank you all for the replies. Everyone has made valid points. I am well too aware now of the dangers of a mixed marriage and why it is highly discouraged by the Church. I would not wish my daughters or sons to marry a non-Catholic. However, it is too late for me as I am ALREADY married with 3 children so far. I have been committed to this marriage and I bear my cross. I think that separating at this point would be to further deepen my first mistake. Divorce is against the Church teaching. I also abhor the idea of leaving my children in a daycare or to the mercy of the public school system while I go to work full time to support them, which would be the inevitable result of a separation to my husband.

    I do not think that non-Catholic men get better treatment by women than Catholic ones. What I think is that the Novus Ordo has spread its errors too far too deeply into society, on an universal level, and not all of us are blessed to find authentic Catholicism, especially when we are young, prone to pride and worldly distractions. In that social atmosphere of lukewarm Catholics and secular egalitarians, it is very easy to fall into the "all religions are the same" thinking, priorities get shifted, standards get lowered, and mixed marriages happen as a result. If my upbringing had been Traditional Catholic, I doubt that I had ever even consider a non-Catholic for marriage. In these times we live in, fine young Catholic men should be praised, cherished, and admired and as they are far more worthy than the rest of men on earth.  

    My intent with my original post was simply hearing advice on how to encourage my husband to convert or at least to avoid his secular influence in the children. I fear for my children's upbringing. I would reverse time if I could, but alas, I can't.

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 01:50:30 PM »
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  • Cantarella, you didn't mention how old your children are, but if they are school age or older I would recommend you do your very best in rearing them Catholic (fully Catholic, not N.O., not lukewarm trad), with or without the support of your husband.  My experience with my husband, who was raised N.O. and a little less practicing than he should have been (and a little less knowledgeable of the Faith than he should have been), is that it takes time to progress spiritually.  No one, regardless of how little humility he/she has, becomes a model Catholic overnight.  And, we all have room for improvement.

    I have been married for 18 years to a man who had/has every quality of a "good Catholic", without the blessing of having been born into the Faith.  By saying this I (and he would) admit the N.O. he was raised in was very deficient in depth of the Catholic Faith.  Some of the "truths" he was taught were even contrary to the Church teachings.  By the grace of God, I was exposed to the Faith since birth, although remaining Catholic has been a serious challenge and it has taken much commitment.

    We have found that as our children grew older, the Catholic example shown by Mom and the kids, had an effect on Dad.  He became more interested in learning about the Faith, more available to join us for daily Rosary, more fervent in his own prayer life.  We attended Mass together (at first only because I asked him to), but once the children were old enough to receive Sacraments, he started to ask himself deeper questions.  The children would ask him about the Faith (like children do), and he would want to be able to answer them according to the true doctrines.  At first he did it just to support me (and probably he didn't want to give me the opportunity to have to "correct" his teaching), but eventually he wanted to learn for himself.  Letting the children "lead" prayers and devotions in the home is a great way to teach them the Faith, so we did that alot.  Over time Dad wanted to "lead".  Eventually the Grace of God penetrated to cause him to act and speak and practice his Faith as a Catholic.  Fifteen years into the marriage I was wondering if we would ever "get there."  It is only within the past three years or so that the spiritual change is really, noticeable.  I admit it has required me to grow spiritually as well.

    We raise our children so that they go to Dad for the "answers", and Mom just backs up what Dad says.  When the children were younger, they couldn't have detected our different "levels of commitment" to the Faith.  I had to pray for much patience during this time, as I don't have the personality to look for "little wins" with an adult, especially when it comes to practicing the Faith.  Many of our issues had to do with our lack of virtue individually, not with the Faith itself.  And, I'm certain the devil wanted to drive a wedge between us.  We went through a time when we couldn't talk about the Catholic Faith at all without arguing.  By the Grace of God once more, we have had wonderful priests to do the educating and to provide the guidance.  Every single sermon at that point seems to be given "just for you."

    My point is, don't give up.....ever.   Don't neglect your prayer life, and be firm with your children in learning the religion, even if sometimes it feels like you are doing alone.  You won't be alone.....God is in complete control of the situation.  He wants you and your husband to make it to heaven together, and you have the responsibility of doing your best to help get your children there too.  God gave us His Blessed Mother to be our confidant when the going gets really tough.  And, the lives of the Saints.....many more than just St. Monica prayed for a very long time.

    Be assured of my prayers for you.  I hope this helps.

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    « Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 01:58:36 PM »
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    I find there are so many here on Cathinfo that believe God can not make lemonaide out of lemons in various situations.  That attitude makes SAD FACES.


    The problem is that you're only forming your view based on the fact that your husband converted. Just because your marriage worked doesn't mean it often works for others, Myrna. You have no idea how many mixed marriages end in tragedy. Very few work out. Also, while it is true that God "can make lemonade out of lemons", it is worth noting that God gives people a free will. I'm not saying to give up, but if a non-Catholic doesn't want to convert, God won't make them. I will never court a non-Catholic, let alone marry one, and no Catholic ever should either.
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    « Reply #25 on: June 07, 2013, 04:46:33 PM »
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    gooch:  It is my opinion that this is serious reason for you and your wife to try Mucus signs and if she says no, oh well, but it would be a way to have her see what God has designed.  I have seen changes in others.

    thanks, I mentioned to her a while back about nfp but she said she wouldn't feel comfortable as the risk is too high to conceive


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    « Reply #26 on: June 07, 2013, 04:59:44 PM »
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  • gooch:  That is an excuse and it is not true.  As a teacher since 1979, she is just dodging the issue.  If she has not seen the creator's design, then she does not know what she is talking about.  If you have been waiting for each other, for awhile, then she can try this with no problem.  Maybe there is something else going on with her.  God does not abandon anyone and for the signs God has given, is a sign that we have full freedom of Will.  The devil plays games in her head.  You can get this info on the web sites, if she does not know of it.  As a teacher, I can say that her comment is like a closed door.  How does she know, if she has not given you the chance, for it takes 2.  My husband encouraged me.  I knew that I either had more faith in God for His creation or more Faith in man.  And we know the truth.  Man just makes artificial things that make more problems and MONEY.  If the truth came out about what God made, these producers would lose a lot of money!  Do you know that anything of man-made from birth control pills to abortion makes more money than war?!  War being right there at the top!  She is either ignorant, or stubborn with the devil.  

    Lots of prayer and ask the Holy Ghost the spouse of the Holy Mother to direct you of how to dare her to try this idea.

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    « Reply #27 on: June 07, 2013, 07:36:43 PM »
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    gooch:  That is an excuse and it is not true.  As a teacher since 1979, she is just dodging the issue.  If she has not seen the creator's design, then she does not know what she is talking about.  If you have been waiting for each other, for awhile, then she can try this with no problem.  Maybe there is something else going on with her.  God does not abandon anyone and for the signs God has given, is a sign that we have full freedom of Will.  The devil plays games in her head.  You can get this info on the web sites, if she does not know of it.  As a teacher, I can say that her comment is like a closed door.  How does she know, if she has not given you the chance, for it takes 2.  My husband encouraged me.  I knew that I either had more faith in God for His creation or more Faith in man.  And we know the truth.  Man just makes artificial things that make more problems and MONEY.  If the truth came out about what God made, these producers would lose a lot of money!  Do you know that anything of man-made from birth control pills to abortion makes more money than war?!  War being right there at the top!  She is either ignorant, or stubborn with the devil.  

    Lots of prayer and ask the Holy Ghost the spouse of the Holy Mother to direct you of how to dare her to try this idea.

    when you say teacher what exactly do you teach? with 3 kids she has no time to look into it,  would she have to take a course ois there a website that would explain things easily?

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    « Reply #28 on: June 07, 2013, 11:20:09 PM »
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    The impression is given that one might as well act like a pagan until a stable family life is obtained.


    This is what you find with most single men. It's repulsive and frightening to women who have Christian values.

    I've seen many marriages with mixed religions, Christian and Muslim, and I'd say 100% of the women when single would have been considered very devout, chaste, volunteering at church and always there when the doors are open types.

    I don't think any thought to seek out a non-Christian but I think the Christian men they meet act like how you describe so they stay away. If Muslim men are chaste or not, they certainly require it in women, at least the ones they marry.


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    « Reply #29 on: June 07, 2013, 11:56:15 PM »
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  • I married a fallen away Catholic WHEN I WAS FALLEN AWAY and we BOTH converted to Tradition.  Praise the Lord!!!!!!