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No Eulogies at Funeral Masses
« on: February 24, 2014, 02:58:58 AM »
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  • Archbishop Terrence Prendergast of Ottawa has decreed that no eulogies are to be delivered at funeral Masses.

    “In the Christian funeral, we gather not to praise the deceased, but to pray for them,” he said. “For this reason, eulogies are not given.”

    In his decree, the prelate also issued an archdiocesan policy governing “words of remembrance” at funeral Masses.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20565

    http://archottawa.ca/documents/chancery/Decree%20Concerning%20Eulogies%20and%20Words%20of%20Remembrance.pdf

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    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 03:32:05 AM »
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    It is the longstanding Tradition for Catholic Requiem Mass to have no "eulogy" or parade of family members and friends to take the microphone and blather on and on about who-dunnit or whatever.  

    When John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the first Catholic President of the United States of America, was buried after he was assassinated by Freemasons (not Lee Harvey Ozwald) there was nobody giving a speech about his life and what he did or what he failed to do in life.  It was a Requiem Mass (1963, before Vat.II's unclean spirit had proclaimed erroneous changes), and it consisted of prayers for the repose of JFK's soul in eternity, something of which he no doubt needed quite a lot.

    When Pope John XXIII (aka "Blessed" John XXIII) died earlier in the same year (1963), less than one year after his M.R.S. on October 11th, 1962, a speech that shall live in infamy in eternity, forever and ever, because it was the moment when the abandonment of Sacred Tradition set in, and the establishment of Newchurch was instituted, even so, at his Requiem Mass, there was no eulogy.  It consisted of prayers for the repose of his soul (as well as the rest of the Mass, as usual).  

    The bier holding the body of each of these two prominent Catholics was HUGE, draped in black fabric, and surrounded by large ornate candlesticks.  

    There were no eulogies. Nor is it ever proper for a funeral Mass to have any eulogy.


    One might recall that when Mother Teresa of Calcutta died, her wishes were made known to all, that she did not want any eulogy at her funeral, because if people started to think she was a saint, then no one would pray for the repose of her soul, and she very much wished that everyone would pray for her, as well as for all the souls of the faithful departed, and those in Purgatory.




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    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 04:00:31 AM »
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  • What did this bishop do - wake up after 50 years to make a proclamation so as to attempt to give importance and reason to his being "the man in charge"?

    Never mind that the NO funeral "mass" is in itself a worse mockery of the True Mass than the regular Sunday NO "mass", now the bishop is saying is -  "let's make it shorter by doing away with the eulogy". That's about it.

    We care about this - why?

     



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    No Eulogies at Funeral Masses
    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 09:59:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    What did this bishop do - wake up after 50 years to make a proclamation so as to attempt to give importance and reason to his being "the man in charge"?

    Never mind that the NO funeral "mass" is in itself a worse mockery of the True Mass than the regular Sunday NO "mass", now the bishop is saying is -  "let's make it shorter by doing away with the eulogy". That's about it.

    We care about this - why?

     




    We should care about this for two reasons.
    1) It is the tradition of the Catholic Church to NOT have eulogies
    2) It is a step in the right direction.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 10:19:32 AM »
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    Quote from: Stubborn
    What did this bishop do - wake up after 50 years to make a proclamation so as to attempt to give importance and reason to his being "the man in charge"?

    Never mind that the NO funeral "mass" is in itself a worse mockery of the True Mass than the regular Sunday NO "mass", now the bishop is saying is -  "let's make it shorter by doing away with the eulogy". That's about it.

    We care about this - why?

     




    We should care about this for two reasons.
    1) It is the tradition of the Catholic Church to NOT have eulogies
    2) It is a step in the right direction.


    Yes.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 10:25:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    .

    It is the longstanding Tradition for Catholic Requiem Mass to have no "eulogy" or parade of family members and friends to take the microphone and blather on and on about who-dunnit or whatever.  

    When John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the first Catholic President of the United States of America, was buried after he was assassinated by Freemasons (not Lee Harvey Ozwald) there was nobody giving a speech about his life and what he did or what he failed to do in life.  It was a Requiem Mass (1963, before Vat.II's unclean spirit had proclaimed erroneous changes), and it consisted of prayers for the repose of JFK's soul in eternity, something of which he no doubt needed quite a lot.

    When Pope John XXIII (aka "Blessed" John XXIII) died earlier in the same year (1963), less than one year after his M.R.S. on October 11th, 1962, a speech that shall live in infamy in eternity, forever and ever, because it was the moment when the abandonment of Sacred Tradition set in, and the establishment of Newchurch was instituted, even so, at his Requiem Mass, there was no eulogy.  It consisted of prayers for the repose of his soul (as well as the rest of the Mass, as usual).  

    The bier holding the body of each of these two prominent Catholics was HUGE, draped in black fabric, and surrounded by large ornate candlesticks.  

    There were no eulogies. Nor is it ever proper for a funeral Mass to have any eulogy.


    One might recall that when Mother Teresa of Calcutta died, her wishes were made known to all, that she did not want any eulogy at her funeral, because if people started to think she was a saint, then no one would pray for the repose of her soul, and she very much wished that everyone would pray for her, as well as for all the souls of the faithful departed, and those in Purgatory.




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    Excellent post. For years I wanted to see JFK's Requiem Mass. Finally found a short portion of it. I have never seen it in its entirety.

    What could one say in a moment like that anyway? And isn't that true of all of us other sinners who live lives that are not at all extraordinary?

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    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 11:43:58 AM »
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    What did this bishop do - wake up after 50 years to make a proclamation so as to attempt to give importance and reason to his being "the man in charge"?

    Never mind that the NO funeral "mass" is in itself a worse mockery of the True Mass than the regular Sunday NO "mass", now the bishop is saying is -  "let's make it shorter by doing away with the eulogy". That's about it.

    We care about this - why?

     




    We should care about this for two reasons.
    1) It is the tradition of the Catholic Church to NOT have eulogies
    2) It is a step in the right direction.


    You are talking about not having a eulogy at a NO funeral service - for what other purpose does the NO hold a funeral service then? - aside from canonizing the deceased I mean.





    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 10:23:09 PM »
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    What did this bishop do - wake up after 50 years to make a proclamation so as to attempt to give importance and reason to his being "the man in charge"?

    Never mind that the NO funeral "mass" is in itself a worse mockery of the True Mass than the regular Sunday NO "mass", now the bishop is saying is -  "let's make it shorter by doing away with the eulogy". That's about it.

    We care about this - why?

     




    We should care about this for two reasons.
    1) It is the tradition of the Catholic Church to NOT have eulogies
    2) It is a step in the right direction.


    You are talking about not having a eulogy at a NO funeral service - for what other purpose does the NO hold a funeral service then? - aside from canonizing the deceased I mean.






    The same reason we would have a requiem mass in the TLM, to offer prayers for the repose of the person who has died.  


     

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