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Newman, now a Doctor of the Catholic Church
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    • Newman, new co-patron of Catholic schools

    In his homily, Leo XIV justified the date of this proclamation by recalling that November 1 marks the conclusion of the Jubilee of the World of Education this year. “Newman's imposing cultural and spiritual stature will serve as an inspiration to new generations with hearts thirsting for the infinite,” said the pontiff, also naming the British doctor co-patron of Catholic schools, alongside St. Thomas Aquinas.

    How can this be? Newman, St Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine are now joined together as teachers of theology in the Catholic Church. How can the Lord allow contradicting Doctors in His Church?

    ‘That the world began to exist is an object of faith, but not of demonstration or science.’ (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa theologiae I.46.2)

    'No, not though I found probable reasons for thinking the first chapters of Genesis were not of an economical character, that there was a pre-Adamite race of rational animals, or that we are now 20,000 years from Noah. For that past controversy and its issue have taught me beyond all mistake, that men of the greatest theological knowledge may firmly believe that scientific conclusions are contrary to the Word of God, when they are not so, and pronounce that to be heresy which is truth. It has taught me, that Scripture is not inspired to convey mere secular knowledge, whether about the heaven or the Earth, or the race of man; and that I need not fear for Revelation whatever truths may be brought to light by means of observation and experience out of the world of phenomena which environs us. And I seem to myself here to be speaking under the protection and sanction of the [1835] Sacred Congregation of the Index itself, which has since the time of Galileo prescribed to itself a line of action, indication of its fearlessness of any results which may happen to religion from physical sciences…’--- Fr John Henry Newman, 1861.

    Here we have two Doctors who adhere to the supernatural dogma of Creation, and another who teaches a natural one long condemned as containing multiple heresies. God help your Church from such contradictions.
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    Re: Newman, now a Doctor of the Catholic Church
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 11:20:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on Yesterday at 11:05:53 AM
    Here we have two Doctors who adhere to the supernatural dogma of Creation, and another who teaches a natural one long condemned as containing multiple heresies. God help your Church from such contradictions.
    Here’s the problem. It’s not “your” Church. It’s THE CHURCH. Each church building, each parish is a separate entity with its own creed, its own morals, its own practices, connected only by “synodal” association.  IOW, Protestant. 
    If this describes “your Church,” you need to leave and join the Catholic Church.  
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    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 12:04:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on Yesterday at 11:20:30 AM
    Here’s the problem. It’s not “your” Church. It’s THE CHURCH. Each church building, each parish is a separate entity with its own creed, its own morals, its own practices, connected only by “synodal” association.  IOW, Protestant.
    If this describes “your Church,” you need to leave and join the Catholic Church. 
    You're right...it's not "your Church"....it's "Your Church"  meaning God's Church.
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    Re: Newman, now a Doctor of the Catholic Church
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 12:12:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on Yesterday at 11:20:30 AM
    Here’s the problem. It’s not “your” Church. It’s THE CHURCH. Each church building, each parish is a separate entity with its own creed, its own morals, its own practices, connected only by “synodal” association.  IOW, Protestant.
    If this describes “your Church,” you need to leave and join the Catholic Church. 

    If by “your” he means the Conciliar Church, then he is not wrong. Cardinal Newman, though liberal in tendency, still belonged to Eternal Rome. The Conciliar Church, which later declared him a “doctor,” came into existence only at Vatican II, that false council which produced the false church. The post Conciliar modernist popes, up to and including Pope Leo XIV, occupy the offices of the Catholic Church yet simultaneously preside over what Father Hesse rightly called “that stupid club,” a man made ecuмenical fabrication that falsely calls itself the Church. The Conciliar Church is entirely distinct from the Catholic Church, distinct because they are not the same. One is the spotless Bride of Christ founded by Our Lord, and the other is a counterfeit born of modernism, erected upon the wreckage caused by those who have betrayed the true Faith.
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    Re: Newman, now a Doctor of the Catholic Church
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 12:15:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on Yesterday at 12:04:04 PM
    You're right...it's not "your Church"....it's "Your Church"  meaning God's Church.
    My bet, too.
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    Re: Newman, now a Doctor of the Catholic Church
    « Reply #5 on: Today at 07:13:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on Yesterday at 11:20:30 AM
    Here’s the problem. It’s not “your” Church. It’s THE CHURCH. Each church building, each parish is a separate entity with its own creed, its own morals, its own practices, connected only by “synodal” association.  IOW, Protestant.
    If this describes “your Church,” you need to leave and join the Catholic Church. 

    Wow, what I wanted to open was a discussion on Pope Leo XIV’s making Henry Newman a Doctor of the Church along with St Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine, the Cardinal described and hailed last night on EWTN as the one who modernised the Catholic Church with his ‘development of Church teaching,’ 

    Instead, my reference to ‘your Church’ became the subject of discussion. Miseremini correctly said it should have been ‘Your Church’ giving ‘your’ its divine reference, my typo error. Seraphina however, tells me my ‘your Church’ is not ‘THE CHURCH’ advising me to avoid a Protestant 'your Church' and join the Catholic Church.

    Well my Church is still the only one true Church, the Catholic Church. Throughout its existence it had its heresies, its anti-popes, yet no one ever held it not to be the Catholic Church. But now, after Vatican II some are inferring it is no longer the Catholic Church, but an anti-Church that should be separated from the Catholic Church .

    Well, if that was true, then Vatican II began in 1820 when material heresy entered the Church under Pope Pius VII and was allowed to remain so by every other pope since then. A material heresy of Biblical meaning that progressed into the perversions of Vatican II. So, if there is, according to some, an anti-Church since 1965 then there must have been an anti-Church since 1820. Not the sort of truth ‘traditional Catholics’ like to hear, is it? And that is why I wrote asking God to cleanse His one and only Catholic Church.

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    « Reply #6 on: Today at 07:26:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on Today at 07:13:29 AM

    Instead, my reference to ‘your Church’ became the subject of discussion. Miseremini correctly said it should have been ‘Your Church’ giving ‘your’ its divine reference, my typo error. Seraphina however, tells me my ‘your Church’ is not ‘THE CHURCH’ advising me to avoid a Protestant 'your Church' and join the Catholic Church.

    Unfortunately, it seems to me that many here are on edge, ready to pounce, rather than consider innocence before guilt.
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    • Quote from: cassini on Today at 07:13:29 AM
    Wow, what I wanted to open was a discussion on Pope Leo XIV’s making Henry Newman a Doctor of the Church along with St Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine, the Cardinal described and hailed last night on EWTN as the one who modernised the Catholic Church with his ‘development of Church teaching,’

    Instead, my reference to ‘your Church’ became the subject of discussion. 
    Re discussing the pope making Henry Newman a doctor of the Church, I don't know enough on the subject to have an informed opinion.  Perhaps others are in the same boat.
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