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Offline Merry

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New NFP booklet?
« on: December 16, 2017, 11:13:53 AM »
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    • This renews the Catholic Church voice against NFP - that modernist "idea."  Don't listen to CMRI or others that say it's ok!  The blurb says this includes a letter from the 1940 Archbishop of St. Paul also condemning NFP.   

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Natural-Family-Planning-and-the-Christian-Moral-Code-by-Jeanne-Dvorak/173029386500?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49564%26meid%3D7e11382fb5ec4099974195aed0fdf431%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D173028216495&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 01:43:12 PM »
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    • What does it actually say? 
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2017, 04:01:46 PM »
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    • The blurb on the page says, "This book will seek to prove beyond a doubt that the consequences of the Rhythm Mentality (i.e. Natural Family Planning or NFP) are contrary to the Christian moral code." 
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2017, 05:20:47 PM »
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    • One main point that crossed my mind is:  Does the Catholic church teach serious reason?  That was always my understanding.
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2017, 06:01:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on December 16, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
    The blurb on the page says, "This book will seek to prove beyond a doubt that the consequences of the Rhythm Mentality (i.e. Natural Family Planning or NFP) are contrary to the Christian moral code."
    "...the consequences of the Rhythm Mentality (i.e. Natural Family Planning or NFP) are contrary to the Christian moral code."  is a strange way to express yourself
    Who is Jeanne Dvorak?
    The link you posted tells very little.
    It doesn't look like a new book. And there is no date.
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #5 on: December 16, 2017, 07:19:29 PM »
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    • Nadir, I posted what the ad on Ebay says.  Anyone can buy it who wants to, and anyone can write a review of it that can be read.  

    The short of the subject is that NFP was never considered a Catholic thing from day 1, up to and past Casti Cannubii.  Pius XII wrongly broke rank when he gave any other impression.  He had not that authority.  He has had to answer for it.

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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #6 on: December 16, 2017, 08:12:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on December 16, 2017, 07:19:29 PM
    Nadir, I posted what the ad on Ebay says.  Anyone can buy it who wants to, and anyone can write a review of it that can be read.  

    The short of the subject is that NFP was never considered a Catholic thing from day 1, up to and past Casti Cannubii.  Pius XII wrongly broke rank when he gave any other impression.  He had not that authority.  He has had to answer for it.
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    Are you Jeanne Dvorak?
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #7 on: December 16, 2017, 08:36:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on December 16, 2017, 07:19:29 PM
    The short of the subject is that NFP was never considered a Catholic thing from day 1, up to and past Casti Cannubii.  Pius XII wrongly broke rank when he gave any other impression.  He had not that authority.  He has had to answer for it.

    Agreed.  NFP is nothing but "Catholic birth control".
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #8 on: December 16, 2017, 08:41:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on December 16, 2017, 08:12:23 PM
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    Are you Jeanne Dvorak?
    No - (feels like the old "What's My Line?" !)
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #9 on: December 16, 2017, 08:55:07 PM »
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    • Big scandalous posters like this are plastered on the walls of the vestibules and social halls of the novus ordo churches.  It's as though couples are being subconsciously programmed to feel stigmatized for having more than 2, 3, or at the most 4 children and it's putting a "mysterious" subject right before the faces of children week after week who don't need to have that staring at them raising their consciousness so to speak.

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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #10 on: December 16, 2017, 09:01:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on December 16, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
    Big scandalous posters like this are plastered on the walls of the vestibules and social halls of the novus ordo churches.  It's as though couples are being subconsciously programmed to feel stigmatized for having more than 2, 3, or at the most 4 children and it's putting a "mysterious" subject right before the faces of children week after week who don't need to have that staring at them raising their consciousness so to speak.


    Yes - agreed.  And NFP is anything but "natural."
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #11 on: December 16, 2017, 09:52:19 PM »
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    • Poster is also plastered on Diocesan websites: https://austindiocese.org/natural-family-planning
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #12 on: December 16, 2017, 10:47:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on December 16, 2017, 08:41:08 PM
    No - (feels like the old "What's My Line?" !)
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    Just seemed a weird way to bring up the topic.  Stumbling across a random, no-name author pamphlet for sale which you can't even summarize and using that to leverage another NFP debate.  Thought maybe you were doing a little marketing.
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    Though I suppose, on the bright side, at least it's not in the anonymous subforum like this usually (and unfortunately) is.
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    Pretty ironic to say Pius XII had "no authority" to teach what he did, and then elevate Jeanne Dvorak-- whoever the hell she is-- as a better alternative.  Bizarre concept of authority.
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #13 on: December 16, 2017, 11:07:11 PM »
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    • There is not much, if any, anti-NFP material out there.  No one seems to raise much voice against NFP - it is too convenient a thing for Catholic users.  But it is another Modernist error.  As for Jeanne Dvorak, well, if a good priest or Bishop would write a proper piece of Catholic literature to put forth the Church's true position on birth control and its NFP variant, someone like "whoever the hell she is" would not have to step into the breach, now would she...?

    There is some kind of vested interest that goes with the big push for NFP in the modern Church, and in some trad groups as well.  What could it be?  Regarding the NFP subject, and how it actually is not Catholic, it is curious how many "protesteth too much...".  
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    Re: New NFP booklet?
    « Reply #14 on: December 16, 2017, 11:15:36 PM »
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    • I doubt it's convenient at all, and most Catholics in the Novus Ordo, as I gather, prefer to use contraception.  Charting is hard work.
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    Whatever the case may be, it's always important to set aside what the Novus Ordo does and distinguish it from what Pius XII taught ("NFP" is not a term he ever used, mind you).  Two very different things, and traditionalists who defend Pius XII also condemn the Novus Ordo's practice. 
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