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Offline s2srea

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« on: March 18, 2013, 08:57:35 PM »
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  • I'm of the belief that we may one day see the dawn of a new "Latin Mass", or new Tridentine mass. What are we, who are not of the sedevecantist mindset, to do if this new mass is created by a Pope if it has nothing in it inherently wrong? Would the fact that it is not a part of Tradition be reason enough to reject it?

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    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 09:02:53 PM »
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  • What do you mean by "new"?  The Mass has been tampered with starting in the mid-50's right through today.  I don't remember how many changes B16 made after issuing his motu but I'm sure someone on here will know.

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    « Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 09:45:50 PM »
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  • There was talk in recent months of the potential for a 'new latin mass' which would have been promulgated by Rome. One that the FSSP might be required to accept. It would be, essentially, a novus ordo strictly in latin, to appease neo-traditionalists and take them a step further from the Triendtine Mass.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 09:49:18 PM »
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  • Yes, I know what you're refering to.

    There was supposed to be a "revised 1962 Missal", but it's looking as if that won't happen just yet.

    However, Francis reportedly has a desire to change the liturgy, so we could see something similar - or even worse - soon.

    To answer your question, because it is not the True Mass but a hybrid Mass that is meant to please both the Novus Ordites and (neo) Traditionalists, you have no obligation to accept it or attend it.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 09:51:30 PM »
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    « Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 10:18:26 PM »
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  • As long as Rome is full of modernists, I think you'll be waiting a long time for a new order of mass that has 'nothing inherently wrong with it.'  
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    « Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 08:02:24 AM »
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    I'm of the belief that we may one day see the dawn of a new "Latin Mass", or new Tridentine mass. What are we, who are not of the sedevecantist mindset, to do if this new mass is created by a Pope if it has nothing in it inherently wrong? Would the fact that it is not a part of Tradition be reason enough to reject it?


    I think that those of you who are "not of the sedevacantist mindset" should accept the mind and will of your current Holy Father [sic].  At this time, that means using the 1962 Missal with the changes made by Benedict 16--that is, as long as Francis allows it, then, of course, they should humbly abandon what they mistakenly view as tradition.  Those who are convinced Francis is the pope should do what he commands personally or through the Curia.  Right now, that means doing as you're doing now.  Whether or not things will change, only time will tell.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 11:29:54 AM »
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    I'm of the belief that we may one day see the dawn of a new "Latin Mass", or new Tridentine mass. What are we, who are not of the sedevecantist mindset, to do if this new mass is created by a Pope if it has nothing in it inherently wrong? Would the fact that it is not a part of Tradition be reason enough to reject it?


    I think that those of you who are "not of the sedevacantist mindset" should accept the mind and will of your current Holy Father [sic].  At this time, that means using the 1962 Missal with the changes made by Benedict 16--that is, as long as Francis allows it, then, of course, they should humbly abandon what they mistakenly view as tradition.  Those who are convinced Francis is the pope should do what he commands personally or through the Curia.  Right now, that means doing as you're doing now.  Whether or not things will change, only time will tell.


    TKGS certainly has a very solid point but we don't know yet how Pope Francis I wants mass to be celebrated...  

    ...he may make us miss the days of Benedict XVI.



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    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2013, 12:04:13 PM »
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    I don't remember how many changes B16 made after issuing his motu but I'm sure someone on here will know.

    Marsha


    Benedict XVI changed it at least once - the Good Friday Prayer - to appease the Synagogue. Even the Good Friday Prayer was changed a little in the 1962 Missal from the 1955 Missal (if I'm not mistaken) to appease the Christ-haters. I still don't have my own Missal, but when I get one, it will be a 1955 Missal.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 09:35:17 PM »
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    I'm of the belief that we may one day see the dawn of a new "Latin Mass", or new Tridentine mass. What are we, who are not of the sedevecantist mindset, to do if this new mass is created by a Pope if it has nothing in it inherently wrong? Would the fact that it is not a part of Tradition be reason enough to reject it?


    I think that those of you who are "not of the sedevacantist mindset" should accept the mind and will of your current Holy Father [sic].  At this time, that means using the 1962 Missal with the changes made by Benedict 16--that is, as long as Francis allows it, then, of course, they should humbly abandon what they mistakenly view as tradition.  Those who are convinced Francis is the pope should do what he commands personally or through the Curia.  Right now, that means doing as you're doing now.  Whether or not things will change, only time will tell.


    If he asks Catholics to do something that is a sin or goes against Tradition/Church teaching, no one is obliged to obey him whether they accept him as Pope or not.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2013, 10:03:06 PM »
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    There was talk in recent months of the potential for a 'new latin mass' which would have been promulgated by Rome. One that the FSSP might be required to accept. It would be, essentially, a novus ordo strictly in latin, to appease neo-traditionalists and take them a step further from the Triendtine Mass.


    That would be terrible.  I always feared that the motu that B16 promulgated would be used to tamper with the true Mass.

    Marsha


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    « Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 05:29:23 AM »
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    I'm of the belief that we may one day see the dawn of a new "Latin Mass", or new Tridentine mass. What are we, who are not of the sedevecantist mindset, to do if this new mass is created by a Pope if it has nothing in it inherently wrong? Would the fact that it is not a part of Tradition be reason enough to reject it?


    I think that those of you who are "not of the sedevacantist mindset" should accept the mind and will of your current Holy Father [sic].  At this time, that means using the 1962 Missal with the changes made by Benedict 16--that is, as long as Francis allows it, then, of course, they should humbly abandon what they mistakenly view as tradition.  Those who are convinced Francis is the pope should do what he commands personally or through the Curia.  Right now, that means doing as you're doing now.  Whether or not things will change, only time will tell.


    TKGS, I am sure you are not advocating what you are actually saying. You certainly do not want "those who are convinced Francis is the pope should do what he commands personally or through the Curia" when those commands would lead their soul into perdition.

    The Constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio  teaches: "the Roman Pontiff,who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fulness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith."

    It even warns us that the further the pope deviates away from the faith, "the  more fully and more diligently he is to be counteracted".

    Whether he is pope or not, telling anyone to follow him to their own perdition is flat out bad advice.

    The only Mass we are bound to until time ends, is that one Holy Sacrifice which, being safeguarded by the Holy Ghost from the possibility of error as declared at Trent, is the Mass of Quo Primum. There simply will never be any other hybrid concoction the pope or any man or any group of men can innovate that will bind us to do anything other than the avoidance thereof.

    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    « Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 07:07:51 AM »
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    TKGS, I am sure you are not advocating what you are actually saying. You certainly do not want "those who are convinced Francis is the pope should do what he commands personally or through the Curia" when those commands would lead their soul into perdition.


    Actually, I am advocating all people actually consider what it really means when they say that what the pope commands "would lead their soul into perdition".

    Sadly, few will.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 03:13:50 PM »
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  • I wonder if a compromised SSPX would accept a New Latin Mass.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 22, 2013, 09:38:17 AM »
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    I wonder if a compromised SSPX would accept a New Latin Mass.


    Why wouldn't it?  Based on the doctrinal preamble Bishop Fellay signed, the SSPX has already accepted the Novus Ordo but doesn't want to use it for reasons which are not, in my mind at least, entirely clear.

     

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