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Re: New Consideration on SSPX Annulments
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2022, 12:35:54 PM »
Maybe.

There’s just something about requiring a vow that seems…disproportionate or inappropriate.

Maybe it’s just me.

The SSPX leadership from these days has a tyrannical tendency, so it seems to me only natural that they will take steps to assure that their decisions will be respected.

Offline Yeti

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Re: New Consideration on SSPX Annulments
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2022, 12:42:28 PM »
In the legal world I think it's normal when you submit your case to arbitration that you have to agree in advance to accept the decision of the arbitrator.


Re: New Consideration on SSPX Annulments
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2022, 01:32:01 PM »
Not being aware of what is "standard" practice for a very non-standard situation (i.e., ours), I am not sure how this docuмent stacks up. But at first glance and upon a little reflection, I find the docuмent troubling-- it seems much too official and authoritative.

I agree that traditional priests' business will lead them to encounter complicated marital situations among the laity. I have no objection at all to a particular priest, or even group of priests, investigating a lay person's marriage, forming moral certainty about its existence (or lack thereof), and then marrying (or not marrying) said person after determining their freedom to marry.

However, such a process would never be a legal process. How could it be, when the priests in question haven't the authority to make or enforce laws?  It would only ever be a private, moral process that a priest (or priests) undertake to determine, for his own mind (being responsible as he is, for witnessing to the integrity of the sacrament), if someone is free to marry.

The docuмent in question does not look like a docuмent agreeing to a private, moral process. 

Offline TheRealMcCoy

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Re: New Consideration on SSPX Annulments
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2022, 01:32:38 PM »
One of the biggest problems with annulments is that frequently the parties seeking them have already civilly "remarried" and sometimes had children.  Tribunals understandably would feel pressure to grant the annulment thereby removing the scandal.  Is the SSPX any different?

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Re: New Consideration on SSPX Annulments
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2022, 01:33:38 PM »
Not being aware of what is "standard" practice for a very non-standard situation (i.e., ours), I am not sure how this docuмent stacks up. But at first glance and upon a little reflection, I find the docuмent troubling-- it seems much too official and authoritative.

I agree that traditional priests' business will lead them to encounter complicated marital situations among the laity. I have no objection at all to a particular priest, or even group of priests, investigating a lay person's marriage, forming moral certainty about its existence (or lack thereof), and then marrying (or not marrying) said person after determining their freedom to marry.

However, such a process would never be a legal process. How could it be, when the priests in question haven't the authority to make or enforce laws?  It would only ever be a private, moral process that a priest (or priests) undertake to determine, for his own mind (being responsible as he is, for witnessing to the integrity of the sacrament), if someone is free to marry.

The docuмent in question does not look like a docuмent agreeing to a private, moral process.

Isn't this known as the "internal forum" solution?