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Offline KevinBrumley

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National Anthem
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:43:06 PM »
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    • Is the singing of the National Anthem a legitimate expression of love of country or an ode to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?  

    Is the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag and the United States for which it stands an acceptable assertion by traditional Catholics or a tacit acceptance of the rejection of the Kingship of Christ? 

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    Offline Cryptinox

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2021, 07:35:06 PM »
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    • I personally am fine with with standing for the anthem but I never stand for the pledge of allegiance anymore. I don't want to pledge allegiance to a masonic government.
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    Offline KevinBrumley

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2021, 09:49:58 PM »
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    • I don't participate in such things.  I have a hard time expressing such sentiments regarding a nation that was established according to neo-pagan principles.  Yet, I have a duty to love my country per the teaching of the catechism, Scripture and Tradition.  The question becomes, how does one fulfill this duty in an apostate nation?  I guess this issue has been brought to the fore because the SSPX school that my kids attend have instituted a line up every morning and begins the day with the national anthem and afterwards, a prayer to Our Lady.  This really irks me.  I fear they are making good Republicans.  I fear that this attitude is as damaging to supernatural faith and our spiritual attitudes towards the supernatural Kingdom of God as is watching TV to some extent.  Perhaps I am wrong, as Catholics have assented to these practices for many years.  Or maybe we have fallen partly because we sing the praises of the New Babylon, of which we are practically captives.  I understand that just as one in a state of grace can perform naturally good works on occasion, so too a nation which is also in a "state of sin."  Also, just as we are to love our enemies, so too our own nation that happens to be at enmity with God.  But it seems to me that loving them doesn't or shouldn't involve singing their praises.  
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    Offline Seraphina

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #3 on: October 01, 2021, 01:58:24 AM »
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    • When I was still working, the school day would start and end with the Our Father, followed by a seasonal hymn.  The hymns varied, the prayer did not. About half the student body were not American citizens, so patriotic songs and the pledge were not used.  I think one may say the pledge and sing the national anthem if the organization or event is specifically related to national sovereignty.  
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    Offline Puzzle

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #4 on: October 01, 2021, 08:11:10 AM »
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    • Haven't said the pledge in 40 years.
    The national anthem is a beautiful tune, and difficult to sing properly, but read the words.  
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    Offline xavierpope

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #5 on: October 01, 2021, 08:32:50 AM »
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    • I don't see the problem, in England we sing for God to save our queen 


    It's when the globalists make a one world government anthem - that's when you say NO 
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    Offline Romulus

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2021, 09:29:07 AM »
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    • Loving your country regardless of its roots is a virtue. Be glad you live in the US rather than Australia, Germany etc... where you cant get food without a vaccine passport. At least here we still have remnants of freedom and are able to still go to Mass. 


    The National Anthem's roots is a battle in 1812 when the Brits attacked an American fort while Francis Scott Key watched the flag as it was pummeled with cannonballs but the Americans in the fort kept it flying no matter the cost.

    "Through the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof through the night that our flag was still there..."
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    Offline KevinBrumley

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2021, 07:27:01 PM »
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    • Well that's the question, what does "loving your country" entail exactly when your country is godless and what are the potential defects/excesses that creep in to any kind of love that does not have God for its object?  Should I swoon over a flag that represents a complete rejection of the supernatural order because I am still able to freely worship in the nation it represents?  Am I compelled to admire the Deist victory over heretical England, while ignoring the fact that this country was a hair's breath away from being a Catholic nation?
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #8 on: October 02, 2021, 12:26:06 AM »
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    • True patriotism isn't about "My country, right or wrong". That is a diabolical farce of patriotism.

    Loving one's country should be done with the virtue of charity -- like you would love your mother, children, or spouse if they apostatized and were living an evil life. It's not about luv-luv FEELINGS, but with the will. You want what is good for (the country, person, etc.) which is ultimately submission to God (in the case of a country) or eternal salvation (in the case of a person).

    Yes, St. Monica didn't sing hymns to St. Augustine when the latter was still ensnared in habitual mortal sin. BUT IT'S NOT A CUSTOM TO SING HYMNS ABOUT LIVING MEN.

    Countries do have national anthems, as they have flags. It's not the same as singing odes to a person.
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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #9 on: October 02, 2021, 01:25:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on October 01, 2021, 09:29:07 AM
    Loving your country regardless of its roots is a virtue. Be glad you live in the US rather than Australia, Germany etc... where you cant get food without a vaccine passport. At least here we still have remnants of freedom and are able to still go to Mass.


    The National Anthem's roots is a battle in 1812 when the Brits attacked an American fort while Francis Scott Key watched the flag as it was pummeled with cannonballs but the Americans in the fort kept it flying no matter the cost.

    "Through the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof through the night that our flag was still there..."
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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #10 on: October 02, 2021, 01:27:26 AM »
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    • Christians love God and Country!  That is traditional Catholicism.




    I would be more concerned if the school is preaching mortal sin of sodomy and mandating the jab. 

    Look at the USA now.  The American communists  have rejected love of God and Country. The USA & Vatican communists has promoted and  spread global communism of mortal sin.   


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    Offline Romulus

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #11 on: October 02, 2021, 03:24:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on October 02, 2021, 12:26:06 AM
    True patriotism isn't about "My country, right or wrong". That is a diabolical farce of patriotism.

    Loving one's country should be done with the virtue of charity -- like you would love your mother, children, or spouse if they apostatized and were living an evil life. It's not about luv-luv FEELINGS, but with the will. You want what is good for (the country, person, etc.) which is ultimately submission to God (in the case of a country) or eternal salvation (in the case of a person).

    Yes, St. Monica didn't sing hymns to St. Augustine when the latter was still ensnared in habitual mortal sin. BUT IT'S NOT A CUSTOM TO SING HYMNS ABOUT LIVING MEN.

    Countries do have national anthems, as they have flags. It's not the same as singing odes to a person.
    I agree


    I would love for the United States to accept the Kingship of Christ and become a Catholic nation. I don't have the "Murica" love that some people have but I thank God for giving me what he gave me.
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    Offline KevinBrumley

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    Re: National Anthem
    « Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 06:12:17 PM »
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    • To those who see no issue with the US national anthem and the pledge of allegiance, would you do the same if you lived in China?  If not, why not?
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