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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
« Reply #315 on: August 28, 2020, 06:15:08 AM »
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  • He can't help but be part of it. You don't get to play unless you have some skin in the game. Nice story though. Mussolini might have walked an old lady across the street after he ran over and killed a young girl. Hitler might have saved kittens. But Stalin! Stalin actually banned abortions in 1933. I take great comfort knowing most of today's trad Catholic scene would vote for Stalin in an instant if he were "running" for office today.

    Congratulations, you've been played.

    Per St. Francis of Assisi's deathbed warning:


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #316 on: August 28, 2020, 06:17:38 AM »
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  • He can't help but be part of it. You don't get to play unless you have some skin in the game. Nice story though. Mussolini might have walked an old lady across the street after he ran over and killed a young girl. Hitler might have saved kittens. But Stalin! Stalin actually banned abortions in 1933. I take great comfort knowing most of today's trad Catholic scene would vote for Stalin in an instant if he were "running" for office today.

    Congratulations, you've been played.
    No, I don’t believe that I’ve “been played”. Actually, it’s thinking charitably about ones neighbor unless you have an abundance of evidence to the contrary. Most of your “proof” that he has “skin in the game” is based solely on your assumptions and in some cases, but not all, on rash judgments. I have one question for you: do you think Trump could pull this “canard” off if he and his whole family weren’t excellent actors? In other words, wouldn’t he and his entire family have to be great actors in order to dupe me and his other supporters?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #317 on: August 28, 2020, 04:34:12 PM »
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  • Per St. Francis of Assisi's deathbed warning:


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."

    We've got a lot of destroyers out there. Bergog Magog being the worst currently.

    No, I don’t believe that I’ve “been played”. Actually, it’s thinking charitably about ones neighbor unless you have an abundance of evidence to the contrary. Most of your “proof” that he has “skin in the game” is based solely on your assumptions and in some cases, but not all, on rash judgments. I have one question for you: do you think Trump could pull this “canard” off if he and his whole family weren’t excellent actors? In other words, wouldn’t he and his entire family have to be great actors in order to dupe me and his other supporters?

    Trump is a notorious public sinner, has been for most of his life. That should serve as evidence. I don't think you have to be a great actor necessarily, though of course it does help having a certain amount of charisma which he does have. All you have to be is a lifelong liar with a conscience so worn down as to be virtually non-existent, no access to the sacraments and an all consuming desire to be as worldly successful as possible.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #318 on: August 28, 2020, 04:38:45 PM »
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  • He can't help but be part of it. You don't get to play unless you have some skin in the game. Nice story though. Mussolini might have walked an old lady across the street after he ran over and killed a young girl. Hitler might have saved kittens. But Stalin! Stalin actually banned abortions in 1933. I take great comfort knowing most of today's trad Catholic scene would vote for Stalin in an instant if he were "running" for office today.

    Congratulations, you've been played.

    Right, a single virtuous act by itself doesn't amount to much.  He's not pure evil after all.  Heck, even Satan isn't pure evil, or he wouldn't exist.  And nobody's saying that Trump is Satan.  Even serial killers were often kind in their everyday lives.  That's doesn't make them upright men.  I'm sure that Barrack Obama or Joe Biden occasionally performed some acts of kindness for people, but I wouldn't vote for them either.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #319 on: August 28, 2020, 05:26:14 PM »
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  • Right, a single virtuous act by itself doesn't amount to much.  He's not pure evil after all.  Heck, even Satan isn't pure evil, or he wouldn't exist.  And nobody's saying that Trump is Satan.  Even serial killers were often kind in their everyday lives.  That's doesn't make them upright men.  I'm sure that Barrack Obama or Joe Biden occasionally performed some acts of kindness for people, but I wouldn't vote for them either.

    I have to agree! The multiple crises this country is facing is a direct result of the sins it has put into practice. There is debt so gigantic that one would expect only a dedicated Catholic to have the slightest chance of navigating through the mire and actually turning things around. Because we are only getting shades of terrible and not-as-terrible, each successive President stamps his unique combination of antichrist spirit onto this country so that it's almost impossible to tell where to start to undo the knot. Somebody needs to take a flaming sword to it!

    Supernatural graces are absolutely needed, and Trump doesn't have any. He didn't convert in the past 4 years, I don't see any reason why anyone should expect him to figure it out.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #320 on: August 28, 2020, 05:33:04 PM »
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  • I never would have guessed that trads would fall into Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Serial killer?  Really?  Unbelievable!

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #321 on: August 28, 2020, 05:39:46 PM »
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  • We've got a lot of destroyers out there. Bergog Magog being the worst currently.

    Trump is a notorious public sinner, has been for most of his life. That should serve as evidence. I don't think you have to be a great actor necessarily, though of course it does help having a certain amount of charisma which he does have. All you have to be is a lifelong liar with a conscience so worn down as to be virtually non-existent, no access to the sacraments and an all consuming desire to be as worldly successful as possible.


    Well it’s obvious to me and many others, who *you* believe have been “duped”, that he must be putting on the performance of the century, if in fact you are correct in your assessment. Your assessment is, in reality, no more or less than a gut instinct, so frankly I don’t blame you for following your conscience. Remember, if I’m wrong about Trump, you and I are going to have a lot more to worry about than this debate.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #322 on: August 28, 2020, 05:47:52 PM »
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  • May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #323 on: August 28, 2020, 06:07:53 PM »
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  • Well it’s obvious to me and many others, who *you* believe have been “duped”, that he must be putting on the performance of the century, if in fact you are correct in your assessment. Your assessment is, in reality, no more or less than a gut instinct, so frankly I don’t blame you for following your conscience. Remember, if I’m wrong about Trump, you and I are going to have a lot more to worry about than this debate.

    Quo, he doesn't really act Catholic at all. What act are you falling for? At best he's like a Protestant Freemason waving his 66 books in the air, not having any knowledge of the things of God, or even the false Bible translation he holds in his hands. But he'll brag about how much he loves the Bible.

    One of my personal favorites, and one that I myself really, really wanted to believe in was when he was said he would pursue prosecution for Hillary once he got elected. Wouldn't you just know it, it never happened. None of these people are devoted Catholics, therefore none of them live like they have a duty to God and to their fellow man to do what is right... by Him.

    The amount and severity of corruption in our highest levels of government indicates to me that any valid conversion to the Catholic Church must be accompanied by a fearless martyr spirit. You better believe they won't have much longer to live so they might as well go out fighting. That's what I'm looking for and I won't back off until I see it!


    I never would have guessed that trads would fall into Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Serial killer?  Really?  Unbelievable!

    Who said serial killer?


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    No doubt they are totally gαy for Trump!
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #324 on: August 28, 2020, 10:15:26 PM »
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  • Quo, he doesn't really act Catholic at all. What act are you falling for? At best he's like a Protestant Freemason waving his 66 books in the air, not having any knowledge of the things of God, or even the false Bible translation he holds in his hands. But he'll brag about how much he loves the Bible.

    One of my personal favorites, and one that I myself really, really wanted to believe in was when he was said he would pursue prosecution for Hillary once he got elected. Wouldn't you just know it, it never happened. None of these people are devoted Catholics, therefore none of them live like they have a duty to God and to their fellow man to do what is right... by Him.

    The amount and severity of corruption in our highest levels of government indicates to me that any valid conversion to the Catholic Church must be accompanied by a fearless martyr spirit. You better believe they won't have much longer to live so they might as well go out fighting. That's what I'm looking for and I won't back off until I see it!


    Who said serial killer?


    No doubt they are totally gαy for Trump!


    Show me a National or World leader who is NOT under the control of ʝʊdɛօ- masonry?

    How could Zionist Israel not have Trump in their back pocket?

    Trump’s whole real estate career and public image were fashioned by Jєωιѕн media, lawyers and bankers.  

    It is human nature to long for our natural leaders,  But they are not there
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #325 on: August 29, 2020, 06:17:49 AM »
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  • Very true, Incred. Tired of it!
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #326 on: August 29, 2020, 07:07:20 AM »
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  • On this particular issue, yes, yes I do.  I bet if I called +Williamson out on the fact that Trump is owned (and controlled by the Jєωs) and that only those get elected whom the Jєωs control, he'd think about it for a second and agree.
    Yea, well, no kidding. show me a politician these days who isn't? That's like calling out the fact any politician is owned and controlled by the devil, because the matter of fact is, they all have  sold out to a certain extent. You can't even get a smidgen somewhere in the world of politics ( and everywhere else these days) without acknowledging and dealing with the Jєωιѕн hegemony over our culture and need to work within it accordingly in some capacity to move forward an agenda.

    The Jєωs power and influence in Western politics, media and culture didn't come overnight, they're a damn patient and methodical people and will wait for decades if they have to, to accuмulate the wealth, power and influence they eventually obtain in any culture/civilization that doesn't reject them. And to do this, you have to be as equally patient and methodical in ridding them of their influence and power and this needs to be taken in steps. And IMO, Trump is a step forward and Biden and his radical commies (Jєωs or not) are a HUGE step backward that will take years to recover from, IF we recover at all.

    I think +Williamson and +Vigano and others like them are well aware of Trump's Semitiphilia and the problems that will arise from it, but for now,they are more aware  the CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER that Biden and the commies will immediately be upon the Church and the country at large, IF they pull off (steal) this election.

    That is the point here with Trump for now. Everyone knows the Jєω controls both sides and even THEY are at odds with each other over some issues. I think some Jєω-aware Catholics or people in general have this misconception that the Jєωs move in toto a hundred percent of the time, on any and all issues and never any infighting with each other. This is simply not true as history and even the present day of israel bears this out. The only time they are all on the same page at the same time is if they feel is if someone or something is a viable threat to ALL of them. Like Hitler and the nαzι's or even the Church at times.

    Which Biden or Trump are not. So there are Jєωs on opposing sides in this election as well.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #327 on: August 29, 2020, 07:45:14 AM »
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    Yep, I plan on it.  Or I might go and vote for Pat Buchanan (while voting for various local issues and offices).  And by going to the polls in November, you too will "do nothing" 
    Bullsh*t. At least I'm TRYING to do something about it. Your apathy wreaks of defeatism. The irony is, YOUR vote for Buchanan will do nothing, it's meaningless other than to sully your conscience. As for me and my house, we will at least try and fend off the coming  commie coup d'etat the best way possible for now.

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     by pulling the lever and making a symbolic vote for a degenerate like Donald Trump.
    And by not pulling any lever, you allow and enable the party of even bigger dangerous degenerates like Biden, Peℓσѕι, Clinton(s), Cuomo and the like to take control and systematically destroy this country and persecute Christians and anyone with a sense of normalcy, morality and patriotism within the culture. Well done. But hey, DT for fαɢs. ::)

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    On top of that, especially in New York, your vote will mean absolutely nothing as that state will inevitably go Blue. 
    You go ahead an assume that defeatist attitude and you will be sure to gain NOTHING. Here's the point;

    There are a LOT of pissed off people in the state AND the city of NY right now, the dems and their actions regarding the virus and the riots have been an absolute disaster, NYC is LITERALLY crumbling before us and they LITERALLY want to string Deblasio and Cuomo up everywhere in the state and city. I really believe that THEY (commies-dems) OVERPLAYED their hand here and JUST ASSUMED everyone where would just do business as usual and vote far left, liberal and "democrat". I think they're ALL in for a huge surprise come November. I could be wrong, but i'm just reading the signs. one thing for sure, the only way the state WILL go blue, is, if they listen to guys like you and just assume the worst. Because then they will get it.

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     So the only thing you're doing is polluting your conscience, such as it is.
    Please, the last thing I need is to be is preached to by twits like you and other trolls on this thread about my "conscience".

    We're in a war here ( and i mean physically), the last thing I need to here is i'm violating my conscience by trying to actually do something about it.

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    If the Jєωs want Pedo Joe to be the face of the Presidency (while pulling his strings the entire time), then Joe will get "elected" (aka appointed).  If they want 4 more years of Trump, then that's what our Jєωιѕн masters will give us.  
    Like they'd ever actually let us decide  
    Well, you let THEM tell you what to do. I'm not playing that game. the only way ((they)) have any power, is if YOU give it to them. and you do that by hiding in your basement and just let them have their way, because, after all, ((they)) ARE our MASTERS. Some FAITH some of you catholics have. It's not  at all in GOD'S HANDS, but da jooos. ::)

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    Why don't you move and get out of NY if you hate it that bad?  NY will never go conservative ... until God wipes most of it out in the Three Days of Darkness.
    Well, first of all, I'm not abandoning my family. and second, I believe ANY state can be turned either way, at any time. Look at all the solidly "conservative" Southern and Central states that are now becoming somewhat suspect of becoming Blue? even Texas is not a slam dunk anymore. No, there's no where to run anymore and be sure. The only sure thing to do is stand and FIGHT these commie bastards like MEN and Patriots that mad this country what it is, or once was. I'm not into this cutting and running crap. I actually do have FAITH that we can FIGHT and WIN this battle, for now at least.

    As for the three days of darkness, from what I understand, it's not going to matter where you live. so, get that thought out of your head.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #328 on: August 29, 2020, 04:25:07 PM »
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  • Bullsh*t. At least I'm TRYING to do something about it. Your apathy wreaks of defeatism. The irony is, YOUR vote for Buchanan will do nothing, it's meaningless other than to sully your conscience. As for me and my house, we will at least try and fend off the coming  commie coup d'etat the best way possible for now.
    And by not pulling any lever, you allow and enable the party of even bigger dangerous degenerates like Biden, Peℓσѕι, Clinton(s), Cuomo and the like to take control and systematically destroy this country and persecute Christians and anyone with a sense of normalcy, morality and patriotism within the culture. Well done. But hey, DT for fαɢs. ::)
    You go ahead an assume that defeatist attitude and you will be sure to gain NOTHING. Here's the point;

    There are a LOT of pissed off people in the state AND the city of NY right now, the dems and their actions regarding the virus and the riots have been an absolute disaster, NYC is LITERALLY crumbling before us and they LITERALLY want to string Deblasio and Cuomo up everywhere in the state and city. I really believe that THEY (commies-dems) OVERPLAYED their hand here and JUST ASSUMED everyone where would just do business as usual and vote far left, liberal and "democrat". I think they're ALL in for a huge surprise come November. I could be wrong, but i'm just reading the signs. one thing for sure, the only way the state WILL go blue, is, if they listen to guys like you and just assume the worst. Because then they will get it.
    Please, the last thing I need is to be is preached to by twits like you and other trolls on this thread about my "conscience".

    We're in a war here ( and i mean physically), the last thing I need to here is i'm violating my conscience by trying to actually do something about it.
    Well, you let THEM tell you what to do. I'm not playing that game. the only way ((they)) have any power, is if YOU give it to them. and you do that by hiding in your basement and just let them have their way, because, after all, ((they)) ARE our MASTERS. Some FAITH some of you catholics have. It's not  at all in GOD'S HANDS, but da jooos. ::)
    Well, first of all, I'm not abandoning my family. and second, I believe ANY state can be turned either way, at any time. Look at all the solidly "conservative" Southern and Central states that are now becoming somewhat suspect of becoming Blue? even Texas is not a slam dunk anymore. No, there's no where to run anymore and be sure. The only sure thing to do is stand and FIGHT these commie bastards like MEN and Patriots that mad this country what it is, or once was. I'm not into this cutting and running crap. I actually do have FAITH that we can FIGHT and WIN this battle, for now at least.

    As for the three days of darkness, from what I understand, it's not going to matter where you live. so, get that thought out of your head.


    Alaric, as evidenced by Trump's own general inaction over the course of the month's events, if the mayor of a city or a governor of a state wants to let the chaos play itself out, Trump isn't going to do anything. Your best bet is probably to stick to local elections. So let's see you get this hype about the next election for those guys... but then you could only browbeat your fellow New Yorkers into voting. Can't have it all!

    It would be interesting if New York actually managed to get a Republican elected for these positions, though I believe you seriously underestimate the hatred people have for anything resembling conservative. The key word here being "resembling." If one or two were to squeeze in, their effectiveness at pushing out any true reform is going to have to be completely reliant on their fidelity to the True Faith. Otherwise, these are just more bomfogs for the Zio-Protty-Commie-Masonic-Satanic slot machine election process. I wouldn't say the powers that be don't have a preferred candidate, but as long as they have all parties sufficiently covered, they can play Punch and Judy all day long.

    And you can keep your compromise-with-Satan attitude and your pressuring of Catholics to pull a lever they are not inclined to because we all have to obey the rules of the prevailing political game theory. Close my eyes and it sounds exactly like the famous Trolley Dilemma sociopath test, except you only get a faint promise you might save 5 people if you push the other person in front. So now that I can determine you feel it's acceptable for Trump's tranny normalization, you literally have no right to be upset when a satanic he/she reads to children in public libraries. You get to own that now. You also get to own a brand new Third Temple in the making! Oh no, you say? You say you don't agree with Trump on that issue? My friend, if you're going to guilt a non-voting Catholic for a positive vote for Biden, you have no excuse. You wanted it exactly this way. But no, you say "but Trump forced that us, we didn't choose it!" Well I guess you could say it's not a legitimate choice for you to make then is it? 

    There's different forms of rape too, but you don't see people arguing for a less lethal rapist over a violent one. If you don't ask for Cosby, you're gonna get the Golden State Killer! You can't not be raped! Get real! At least I'd want to make my rape more survivable, more livable, more comfortable! All Cosby has to do is give you a pill to put you to sleep and it will be like it never happened. God obliges you to ask Cosby to rape you.

    Can you say "false dilemma?" Say it with me!

    You can chew on an old leather shoe and market it like a roast beef dinner compared to the rat dung in the gutter, but all it does is show how poor your living conditions are. Don't think for one minute that you have any right to force what is plainly an indigestible moral compromise in a famine-stricken political scene. If that's what's holding your world together, you need to step back real quick before you unravel.


    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #329 on: August 30, 2020, 06:30:24 AM »
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    Can you say "false dilemma?" Say it with me!
    There is no dilemma here for me, there is only reality. And the reality is we have only two choices for now.

    A man who will lead us forward into progress, safety and wealth. Or a man who will lead us into the darkness, danger, violence,death and destruction and hand the country over to the globalists for our ultimate national demise.

    The choice is simple for me, FOR NOW. I'm not getting into all the explanations and assumptions we've been over and over on this thread, it's become quite tiresome and at this point not productive anymore. Occam's razor need apply here.

    I'm voting for Trump because I believe that is what's best for me, my family, the Church and the state at large.

    If I'd lived in Syria and I had to choose between Assad and ISIS, the decision couldn't be more obvious at the clear and present danger to me and my family  in the present situation. Even though Assad is a "muslim", I have to support him.


    And that's what we have here, Trump (Assad) is not perfect, but he's the way we HAVE to go. Because Biden (ISIS) and his party of terrorists will actively pursue our ultimate destruction. And that IS THE REALITY. I've been saying for quite some time now, WE ARE IN cινιℓ ωαr, whether you want to accept it or not, matters not, it's coming to your doorstep and for some in this country ( I personally know some it has ) it's already there. And just like in Syria, I don't have to wait until they have  public executions of political enemies or start beheading catholic bishops and priests to try and do something about it NOW.


    This is about all I'm going to say on this from this point forward. I don't believe it's a mortal sin to vote for Trump.

    Indeed, I'm about the point where I believe it's a mortal sin if you don't. ( well not really, but it's THAT important)