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Offline Geremia

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Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
« Reply #300 on: August 27, 2020, 08:18:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croixalist on August 27, 2020, 03:22:40 PM
    With vulgarity like that, how could God possibly resist?
    Yes, sodomy is vulgar.
    I interpret that meme in a Machiavellian sense: keep your enemies closer.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #301 on: August 27, 2020, 08:25:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 27, 2020, 08:18:35 PM
    Yes, sodomy is vulgar.
    I interpret that meme in a Machiavellian sense: keep your enemies closer.

    Now, why would you think God works through Machiavellian principles? Why would he allow an unrepentant scuмbag like Trump, objectively in the state of mortal sin, to lead anything for his Church? This is a massive failure of imagination in my opinion. Most folks seem unable or unwilling to see how God works beyond (and above) the ways of a mafia thug.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #302 on: August 27, 2020, 08:32:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croixalist on August 27, 2020, 08:25:44 PM
    Now, why would you think God works through Machiavellian principles?
    God's omnipotent. He can use and has frequently throughout history used evil instruments for a good end.

    Quote from: Croixalist on August 27, 2020, 08:25:44 PM
    Why would he allow an unrepentant scuмbag like Trump, objectively in the state of mortal sin, to lead anything for his Church?
    What does his state of grace (or lack thereof) have to do with his policies?
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #303 on: August 27, 2020, 08:47:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 27, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
    God's omnipotent. He can use and has frequently throughout history used evil instruments for a good end.
    What does his state of grace (or lack thereof) have to do with his policies?

    The only way an evil instrument is used for good is to act as a scourge and a test for holy individuals or a disobedient people. Like St. Paul he could convert, but it would be very unwise to send him to St. Peter before he had the change of heart. As it is, Trump has had four years. No scales have fallen from his eyes.

    For one thing, if he were in a state of grace there wouldn't be anything remotely supporting Israel, LGBT, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Apple, etc. But even the "good" policies are designed to be half-measures and ineffective token resistance. It's been the same Republican line for a long time now. I'm sick of it. A cute little sticky note is easily thrown away after 4 or 8 years. For someone like Trump who is known to change his mind for the sake of his own popularity, that means it's all likely to skew against what the world does not like- i.e., Catholicism. He has no foundation and he will not be able to fight for what is truly right when put to the test.

    What does the state of grace have to do with it?

    Are you kidding me?!
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #304 on: August 27, 2020, 09:25:05 PM »
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    • Pardon the language in spots, they all come from his mouth. I think you need to be reminded how much of a liar he is:

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #305 on: August 27, 2020, 09:56:18 PM »
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    • Why so many queer American ambassadors?
    Pro choice republicans and pro gαy republicans are pseudo conservatives.  They have been in Republican Party for long time.  Long before Trump.   A true conservative is pro life and pro marriage  man and woman. 

    What we are up against is atheist devil worshipping communist democrats vs  One nation under God. 

    I don’t like either party but I’m voting for Trump because we can’t give in to communism.  He isn’t perfect but he does love God and country.  






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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #306 on: August 27, 2020, 10:02:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 27, 2020, 09:56:18 PM
    [Trump] isn’t perfect ... 

    That is grossly understating the problem with Trump.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #307 on: August 27, 2020, 10:18:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 27, 2020, 10:34:36 AM
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    I’m basically giving up on the world.  When even Traditional Catholics are duped into believing that the Jєωs do not control the Presidency and most of Congress, there’s no hope left outside God’s direct intervention.

    Hey Lad, don't give up man.  It's always darkest right before dawn, as they say.  God is in control and He's allowing all this chaos for the good of the highest number of souls possible.  The game-changer in all of this is when the Church gets back on Her feet.  I know a guy that was good friends with a holy Trad priest, who died a few years ago.  When Fr was dying, he told this guy that the Church would come back in his lifetime.  The guy is currently in his 70s.  ...Prophecies say that the Church's resurrection will happen so suddenly as to leave people speechless.


    Someone I know reached that level and was immediately chastised and confronted with the thought:
    'So you don't think I am in control eh?  My thoughts are way above you thoughts.  I have told you all you need to know full stop!  The apostles abandoned me when I was crucified.  They all deserted me but did I leave them orphaned?

    This is the test we are being deliberately put through by Almighty God Himself.  It is worth pondering the prayer giving glory  to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be - world without end.

    For some reason God is choosing to give the Pharisees enough rope to hang themselves with, and Jєωs in general the chance to save their souls.  
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #308 on: August 27, 2020, 10:29:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 27, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
    I bet if I called +Williamson out on the fact that Trump is owned (and controlled by the Jєωs) and that only those get elected whom the Jєωs control, he'd think about it for a second and agree.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #309 on: August 27, 2020, 10:35:56 PM »
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    • Biden, Peℓσѕι etc are far worse because they are Catholic.  Trump isn’t Catholic. 

    If Biden wins more persecution will come. And also you go to Mass?  And yet there are many clergy and laity who are sodomites and worse within traditional circles. Many queer traditional or orthodox clergy.  





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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #310 on: August 27, 2020, 10:57:04 PM »
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    Many queer traditional or orthodox clergy. 
    Right to the very top!
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #311 on: August 28, 2020, 12:57:58 AM »
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    • The Trump question comes down to two things, for me.

    1: Obviously Trump is pretty defective, not just "not perfect."  But he presents himself as anti globalism, anti NWO.  Obviously he's not perfect at this, but does he meaningfully distinguish himself from Biden, in that regard?

    2: If Trump meaningfully distinguishes himself from Biden in that regard, does that justify someone who wants to vote for him, despite his serious flaws?

    I currently think the answer to both of those is yes.  However, I'm not kidding myself to think he's not infiltrated to any degree, nor do I see how I can bind anyone's consciences to vote for him.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #312 on: August 28, 2020, 04:05:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on August 28, 2020, 12:57:58 AM
    The Trump question comes down to two things, for me.

    1: Obviously Trump is pretty defective, not just "not perfect."  But he presents himself as anti globalism, anti NWO.  Obviously he's not perfect at this, but does he meaningfully distinguish himself from Biden, in that regard?

    2: If Trump meaningfully distinguishes himself from Biden in that regard, does that justify someone who wants to vote for him, despite his serious flaws?

    I currently think the answer to both of those is yes.  However, I'm not kidding myself to think he's not infiltrated to any degree, nor do I see how I can bind anyone's consciences to vote for him.

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    It doesn't matter what he says. Follow the money. Follow his thousands of business connections. He won't make it tougher for those big companies that invest heavily offshore. Has he made any real effort to bring back manufacturing to this country? He knows most of us don't have in-depth knowledge about how big business works, so I suppose he can frame his reforms almost anyway he wants to. There's a lot of misdirection from what I can see.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #313 on: August 28, 2020, 05:27:43 AM »
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    • To those here who harbor such hatred for President Trump and think he is part of the conspiracy, here is a story I posted a while back:

    A few years ago Father Collins told me a story about a Traditional Catholic he knew named Mr. Kearn. (Not sure of the spelling). Mr. Kearn had Parkinson’s disease and his hands shook terribly. He was in a restaurant in Las Vegas and he was trying to put his fork in his mouth, but was having trouble. A man came up to him and held his hand to steady it. That man was Donald Trump.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #314 on: August 28, 2020, 05:34:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on August 28, 2020, 05:27:43 AM
    To those here who harbor such hatred for President Trump and think he is part of the conspiracy, here is a story I posted a while back:

    A few years ago Father Collins told me a story about a Traditional Catholic he knew named Mr. Kearn. (Not sure of the spelling). Mr. Kearn had Parkinson’s disease and his hands shook terribly. He was in a restaurant in Las Vegas and he was trying to put his fork in his mouth, but was having trouble. A man came up to him and held his hand to steady it. That man was Donald Trump.

    He can't help but be part of it. You don't get to play unless you have some skin in the game. Nice story though. Mussolini might have walked an old lady across the street after he ran over and killed a young girl. Hitler might have saved kittens. But Stalin! Stalin actually banned abortions in 1933. I take great comfort knowing most of today's trad Catholic scene would vote for Stalin in an instant if he were "running" for office today.

    Congratulations, you've been played.
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