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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2020, 12:41:06 PM »
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    He could have overruled all the governors by executive order any time he chose.

    This is 1000% wrong.  My governor is a liberal psycho.  Aside from Trump declaring marshall law, there's nothing he can do to affect my state.  Trump is not a monarch.


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #76 on: August 22, 2020, 12:43:09 PM »
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  • Trump can’t affect all of those 6 in equal ways, because there’s a thing called “states rights” which still exist, and the idea that Trump can rule by executive order on anything is so retardedly wrong, I can’t believe I have to say it.

    States rights only exist when it is time for Republicans to make excuses for why they do not enact good policy. When Democrats are in power or Republicans do evil things, states rights never seem to exist.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #77 on: August 22, 2020, 12:44:12 PM »
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  • This is 1000% wrong.  My governor is a liberal psycho.  Aside from Trump declaring marshall law, there's nothing he can do to affect my state.  Trump is not a monarch.
    Nope.
    He could have cut off federal aid for highways or any number of other federal aid packages.
    He chose not to.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #78 on: August 22, 2020, 12:53:06 PM »
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    He could have cut off federal aid for highways or any number of other federal aid packages.
    He chose not to.

    Ahhh...but first you said he could just issue an 'executive order'.  Now you're saying he has to use passive-aggressive tactics?
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    So if POTUS cut federal aid packages, there would've been legal battles, and the cuts to $ would've been put on hold through legal injunctions by liberal judges, and, in the meantime, liberal governors would continue to order everyone around.
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    What you're saying has been tried before, in other scenarios.  It's effective in negotiations with congress, but not in making quick changes at the state level.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #79 on: August 22, 2020, 12:57:54 PM »
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  • Ahhh...but first you said he could just issue an 'executive order'.  Now you're saying he has to use passive-aggressive tactics?

    No: First I named one method of compulsion, then I named another.
    Trump passed on them all.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #80 on: August 22, 2020, 01:08:19 PM »
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  • This is 1000% wrong.  My governor is a liberal psycho.  Aside from Trump declaring marshall law, there's nothing he can do to affect my state.  Trump is not a monarch.
    What do you think would happen if one of the red state governors tried to segregate public schools? Federal troops would be on the ground in minutes and it would be stopped immediately. Why did the same thing not happen to "sanctuary cities?" Because the Republicans are just as bad as the democrats, they just have pretend to be decent.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #81 on: August 22, 2020, 01:08:39 PM »
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  • Trump pretends to hate the swamp and the swamp pretends to hate Trump. You don't make it in Jєω York real estate to the point of being a billionaire without being a part of the swamp.
    For this to be true, Trump would have to be an excellent actor. He is a horrible actor. Watch clips of him acting and you will see how true that is.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #82 on: August 22, 2020, 01:15:42 PM »
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  • This is 1000% wrong.  My governor is a liberal psycho.  Aside from Trump declaring marshall law, there's nothing he can do to affect my state.  Trump is not a monarch.
    No, Trump is no monarch, but he never condemned the heavy handed actions of governors, but went along, often encouraging lock downs.   


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #83 on: August 22, 2020, 01:19:25 PM »
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  • I don't see how it is "NOW" a sin to vote for Trump?  We have known for a long time that he's pro-sodomite.

    So this doesn't really change things.

    There's still a possibility to argue from double effect.  Someone might vote for Trump because, for instance, it's likely that Ginsberg will either retire or receive her eternal reward within the next term.

    Even if an anti-sodomite President were elected, it's not as if anyone is going to outlaw sodomy anytime soon.

    But I've been pushing back against double effect precisely on the grounds that if it's evil to vote for a a pro-sodomite candidate, then you can't do it even if the other guy is worse.  I'm not sure whether it's OK to divide a candidate by his positions.  I am voting for anti-abortion Trump but not pro-sodomite Trump.

    This is something that the trained moral theologians really should deal with more; it's a neglected area of theology.
    Good points, Lad. So I take it that you have now decided to vote for Trump?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #84 on: August 22, 2020, 01:23:15 PM »
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    No, Trump is no monarch, but he never condemned the heavy handed actions of governors,

    What are you talking about?  He's condemned them about 1,000x.  You'll only hear about it in the alt media.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #85 on: August 22, 2020, 01:23:58 PM »
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  • Nope.
    He could have cut off federal aid for highways or any number of other federal aid packages.
    He chose not to.
    So the Republicans can join with the Democrats and do impeachment 2.0? Yeah, there are many thing I would have done differently had I been in power, but then again I probably wouldn’t have lasted a week.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #86 on: August 22, 2020, 01:30:14 PM »
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    What do you think would happen if one of the red state governors tried to segregate public schools? Federal troops would be on the ground in minutes and it would be stopped immediately. Why did the same thing not happen to "sanctuary cities?"

    Segregation of schools is a federal law, so POTUS can enforce. 
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    Sanctuary cities is a gray area, that has gone through the court system, because it involves Federal immigration law but also state's rights.  Federal regulation has mostly prevailed but still not 100%.
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    The issue of masks, church closings, distancing, etc all falls under state law, depending on the powers each state has given to its governor and its health officials during a 'health emergency' (usually a 30-45 day declaration by the governor, during which he has very wide powers).  Each state is different and the federal govt is largely unable to affect this, unless marshall law is declared (which is an unprecedented step, and could still be challenged in the courts).

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #87 on: August 22, 2020, 01:42:54 PM »
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  • And just below that SSPX blurb is this concerning piece:

    "However, it can be permissible to tolerate the lesser of two evils for a proportionate reason [without necessity? -SJ], and such toleration can be for the common good, precisely because it is the lesser of two evils. Thus it is possible to vote or even campaign for a candidate whose platform contains evils with which we do not agree. Everything depends upon a hierarchy of the most important values and issues taking priority over lesser ones.

    For a Catholic, there can be no doubt that the issues that take the highest priority must be the moral issues, and not personal or economic issues. The whole continuation of society as we know it depends upon this, and those who deny the most basic principles of the natural order are bringing about an unheard of perversion. Consequently, it is permissible and prudent to vote on the one single issue of proscribing abortion, or forbidding same-sex marriages, or putting an end to euthanasia, or freedom of the Catholic Church to run educational institutions. All of these issues are of the utmost importance. Consequently, it would be permissible and prudent to vote for a candidate who promotes an unjust war, on the basis of one or other of these issues. Consequently, it is likewise permissible to vote for a candidate who is known to be a Freemason, although Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is an evil society condemned by the Church and opposed to the Catholic Church, if he maintains an important principle of the natural law such as the evil of abortion.

    Lesser issues are also of moral importance, such as the justice or injustice of a particular war, or the paying of a just wage to employees, maintaining the right to private property by limiting government intervention, and so on. All other things being equal, one could vote on the basis of such issues. However, it would be wrong to vote for a candidate who has a correct position on one of these issues, but a perverse and wrong position on a more important issue.

    Consequently, it would be manifestly immoral and sinful to vote for a candidate who pretends to be Catholic, but who in fact is pro-abortion, pro-gαy, or pro-euthanasia."
    How do the Trumpers respond to this^^^^
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #88 on: August 22, 2020, 01:52:49 PM »
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  • Segregation of schools is a federal law, so POTUS can enforce. 
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    Sanctuary cities is a gray area, that has gone through the court system, because it involves Federal immigration law but also state's rights.  Federal regulation has mostly prevailed but still not 100%.

    No, it's not. An illegal alien is, ipso facto, a criminal and not a citizen of the U.S., hence, they're afforded no rights as Americans. By your logic, the Seat of Peter would have to rule whether or not a Muslim is a member of the Catholic Church and thus has salvation when he dies, when the Church has already infallibly defined that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and one who dies a Muslim is damned forever.

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    The issue [.], church closings, [...] all falls under state law, depending on the powers each state has given to its governor and its health officials during a 'health emergency' (usually a 30-45 day declaration by the governor, during which he has very wide powers). 
    You're wrong. It's a 1st Amendment issue. Trump allowed governors to violate our 1st Amendment rights.
    Obama issued more executive orders than all previous presidents combined. The least Trump could do is use the stroke of a pen to protect our rights with an EO that all churches remain open. We elected Trump to represent and protect us. He has failed.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #89 on: August 22, 2020, 02:17:48 PM »
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  • This footage is way back in 92 and very vague at best what the dynamic was at the party.


    Do you really believe that Trump knew what Epstein was in 92? At some random gathering and had a few laughs? Really?


    Where were you in 92? what if they had a camera on you Bs'ing with a guy whom you had no idea he was a big as scuмbag as we found out DECADES later and they wanted to pull that footage on you like you and Jєω-stein were old buddies having a few laughs? ( about raping adolescents I would assume as well)


    That NBC film footage from the early 90's PROVES nothing.