True -- Even if a woman was very careless about it, using abortion for birth control, she would hardly have more than 1-2 abortions a year. How much sodomy is committed per sodomite per year?

Abortion and sodomy are 2 of the 4 Sins Crying Out To Heaven for Vengeance.

Both of the 2 major parties (face it, America is as solid 2-party system) back one or more of these sins. Very discouraging for Catholics, I must say.

This makes no sense. Just because Trump thinks these evil acts are acceptable doesn’t necessarily mean he’s responsible for those acts committed every year. As Mithrandylan rightly pointed out, it’s not like Trump is trying to impose homo “marriage” on society or to force a baker to bake a pro-homo “marriage” cake. As a matter of fact, the Trump Administration sided with the baker in the Colorado case. If he were to actively impose these evils, then obviously he would lose my vote. He would also lose it if he were to impose forced vaccination or gun confiscation. No, I think Trump is playing a long term game and he is calculating each move he makes.

First Pence blasts Q as a "conspiracy theory" (he actually used that term! educated Catholics will understand the grave and deep significance of using that term*)

God is trying to tell me something. I guess I have another 20 min. of free time this November 3rd.



*According to Zero Hedge, the term Conspiracy Theory was created by the CIA in 1967 as a way to discredit anyone who dared to challenge their official version of the truth (1).

I thought your message was Trump or bust this Nov? I thought you believed that ABORTION was the primary issue, not whether or not DT recognizes fαɢɢօtry? Because, we all knew from day one he did. There is no surprise here.

Trump was born and raised within the compounds of sodomites and Jєωs in NYC and if you're gonna go anywhere or make any real money or definitely if you go into politics around here, you better turn a blind eye or better or have the appearance of tacit approval of these groups or they will cut you off at the knees before you even get going.That is the reality.

I don't think Trump believes in his heart for one second that men having butt-sex with each other is "normal", ( or maybe he does, I can't read the man's mind) but, being the "businessman" he is, he knows strategy, he knows you have to give a little to gain a lot in the end. And that should be our strategy for now, use Trump to move forward a Nationalist/Catholic  agenda until we formulate a better plan, party or candidate in the future.

Yes, I agree, sodomy is an issue, but killing babies is a larger one at the moment. And, like it's already been mentioned here, DT is not PUSHING fαɢɢօtry on us at the moment or fanatical, godless, atheist communism like you will get with Bden/hαɾɾιs and the rest of democrat nutjobs. Not only will they push fαɢs and kill more babies, if not damn near eat them openly, but they WILL break the economy, sell out completely to NWO and come for your guns, houses and property.

This is the most important election in American history, Trump is not the savior, we never said he was.

But the alternative is death to just about everything we believe in, including possibly ourselves.

There are about 1 million abortions/year in America.

1,000,000 legal reported abortions.
Many more thru RU486, contraception, and unreported abortions.

That was just a thought, given that he is promoting sodomy and the destruction of the family.  I don't think I could vote for such a man without betraying my conscience (subjective), but I wonder whether any other knowing Catholic could do so without sin.

But you can enable a  demonic monster like Biden and the radical black racist hαɾɾιs to take control of the most powerful position on the planet? Is your Catholic conscience ok with that?

Byz-

You do raise the ultimate question:

When is it grave matter to vote for a particular candidate?

Is it never sinful, because all candidates are sinners, and promote deranged policies?

Or, is it a weighing: One candidate promotes 6 abominations, while the other only promotes 2-3 abominations (as Matthew pointed out earlier)?

Or, does one abomination per candidate rule them both out?

And as regards the non-Catholic "lesser of two evils" schtick, since there is no necessity/compulsion to vote, how will one who votes for evil claim they had no choice?

Keeping in mind that the classic example of "double effect" is one man tied to the railroad track, while a bus of children stalls on another railroad track, and the person must make a choice to save one of the other, but cannot save both.  In choosing one, he does not will the death of the other.  But I do not see this necessity to choose present in the context of political elections (or, at least not between these two faulty candidates).

In other words, it is not clear to me that double effect is relevant here.

But the "lesser of two evils" without necessity is even on shakier ground: It is a simple matter of overlooking all the abominations of one candidate because they support their particular interest, while condemning the abominations in the other candidate.

It seems hypocritical and immoral somehow to me.

And what happened while the commie, black racist, babykilling, fag-enabler Obama was in office for eight years? where was your catholic conscience about not voting the "lesser of two evils" then? Did a real "godly" man step up for you to coose and not worry about "sinning" in doing so? No and you know it.

This is not about "sin", this is about survival. Obama desecrated everything that this country and Christianity stands for he possibly could and Hilliary was intent on furthering that agenda until the very end. until FINALLY the NORMAL people in this country had enough and put the outsider Trump in play. And THEY were furious. And THEY have for four years done EVERYTHING to get him out, including unleash a BS virus and now a virtual race war and borderline Christian pogrom.

You can rationale all you want about "sin" or double effect you want. These people, if elected, are coming for YOU and everything you have and believe in. It's that simple. This is a war, you HAVE to choose.

This is not about "sin", this is about survival. Obama desecrated everything that this country and Christianity stands for he possibly could and Hilliary was intent on furthering that agenda until the very end. until FINALLY the NORMAL people in this country had enough and put the outsider Trump in play. And THEY were furious. And THEY have for four years done EVERYTHING to get him out, including unleash a BS virus and now a virtual race war and borderline Christian pogrom.

You can rationale all you want about "sin" or double effect you want. These people, if elected, are coming for YOU and everything you have and believe in. It's that simple. This is a war, you HAVE to choose.

This. All of this. All the above. Come on, guys, get some perspective here.

Do you have a better alternative? No, I didn't think so.

Just sit home on election day and twiddle your thumbs while the commies and they're black racist pets take the country over.

Oh yea, THEN you'll be ready to fight when they openly come after you and your's because you just happen to be Catholic/christian, male AND white....Good luck with that.

This is already beginning in Canada where christians have been fined and jailed for simply quoting Sacred Scripture.  That is what you can expect from Biden/hαɾɾιs.  And you can also expect that they will attempt (and likely succeed) in closing our churches.  They will not tolerate the existence of any institution which questions the party line.  Think peak Cancel Culture except instead of twitter storms they will be sending SWAT teams on Sunday mornings to arrest the priests and terrorize the faithful.