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Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
« on: August 21, 2020, 05:14:56 PM »
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    Trump: ‘My great honor’ to be called the ‘the most pro-gay president in American history’
    President Trump has given it a pro-LGBT ad from the Log Cabin Republicans his personal stamp of approval.
    Thu Aug 20, 2020 - 4:33 pm EST


    Richard Grenell and President TrumpRichardGrenell | Twitter
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    WASHINGTON, D.C., August 20, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – President Donald Trump has embraced the message that he is “the most pro-gay president in American history,” after his former acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and Ambassador to Germany, self-identified homosexual Richard Grenell, made the claim in a viral new video ad

    Moreover, Grenell has just been tapped by the Republican National Committee (RNC) to serve as a senior adviser focused on outreach to LGBT voters, according to a Fox News report.  
    “My great honor!!!” exclaimed the President, reweeting Grenell’s declaration that “President Trump is the most pro-gay president in American history.” 

    Views of the video – which had already quickly gone viral – accelerated, topping 4 million in less than 30 hours and still going strong.   
    Initially it was unclear if the ad, sponsored by the pro-LGBT Log Cabin Republicans, had been approved by the Trump campaign. But now the president himself has given it his personal stamp of approval.
    Trump’s very public affirmation of Grenell’s message combined with the RNC’s official creation of an outreach aimed at LGBT voters spearheaded by Grenell creates a conundrum for many conservative religious voters. Such voters have wholeheartedly praised the president for his many actions to protect the life of the unborn and defend religious liberty, but they reject the normalization of homosexuality in American culture.   
    The progressive LGBT political machine, which previously has been a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party, has, along with the abortion industry, proven to be the greatest threat to religious liberty this nation has known in recent decades.   
    Wedding cake bakersphotographersflorists, and many others can attest to that. 
    The presence of LGBT political heft within the Republican Party may lead to a weakening of religious liberty while further normalizing homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and transgenderism – a direct affront to Christianity and other religions.      
    Grenell: ‘I can prove it’  
    “President Trump is the most pro-gay president in American history,” said Grenell at the outset of his video ad. 
    “I can prove it,” he added. Grenell then goes on to list how Trump is the “strongest ally that gay Americans have ever had in the White House,” substantiating, in effect, that Trump policy when it comes to marriage and sexuality differs from that of Christianity. 
    In the ad, Grenell slams Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden’s 40-year track record on gay issues while touting Trump’s record, both official and implied.  
    “President Trump has done more to advance the rights of gays and lesbians in three years than Joe Biden did in 40-plus years in Washington,” Grenell said.  
    “I know firsthand that President Trump is the strongest ally that gay Americans have ever had in the White House,” the former head cabinet member said.   
    “Donald Trump is the first president in American history to be pro-gay marriage from his first day in office,” Grenell declared. “President Trump knew I was gay when he appointed me to one of the most prestigious and powerful ambassadorships in the world.” 
    Grenell is a self-proclaimed conservative, Christian, pro-life, gay man who has often been the target of harsh criticism from LGBT commentators and mainstream media because of his beliefs. He has also proved to be one of President Trump’s most potent, trusted allies. Progressives generally dislike him and conservatives generally admire him.
    Log Cabin Republicans says its purpose is to “to make the Republican Party more inclusive, particularly on LGBT issues,” which conservatives generally take to mean diluting and eventually eliminating the GOP’s traditional conservative stances on marriage, homosexuality, and transgender ideology. As such, the group is more aptly described as “Libertarian” rather than “Conservative.”
    The organization challenged the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy against open homosexuality in the military and lobbied Republican lawmakers to vote to repeal the policy. It also welcomed the Supreme Court’s 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision instituting same-sex “marriage” across the United States.
    In the just-released video, Grenell aligns himself with Log Cabin’s views, blasting Biden, who as a U.S. Senator supported “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and the “Defense of Marriage Act.” Biden was also “against marriage equality.”
    President Trump had previously indicated that he is “fine” with the Supreme Court’s opinion legalizing same-sex “marriage,” calling the matter “settled.”
    Trump advisory board member Steve Mosher, an acclaimed author, speaker, and founder and head of the Population Research Institute, told LifeSiteNews that, overall, Trump is taking bold stands on the culture wars front.   
    “On the culture wars front, Trump has probably done more than any president since Calvin Coolidge,” he said. 
    “He has opposed abortion on demand more openly and consistently than any prior president. And then there are the sheer number of judges, which eclipses the record of any prior president in a single term,” Mosher continued in a statement to LifeSiteNews. 
    “On the transgender front, since April 12, 2019, transgenders are not allowed to serve or enlist in the United States military. As far as the rest of the almost infinite number of aberrations found in our sex-crazed society, most cannot be solved by policies or presidents,” Mosher observed.
    “So the glass is pretty full, in my view,” he added. “We must not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
    Despite Grenell’s claims that Trump is more pro-gay than Biden, the Democrats’ 2020 platformpromises, among other things, to enact the far-left so-called Equality Act; guarantee boys can enter girls’ bathrooms and vice versa; and “ban harmful ‘conversion therapy’ practices.” It says “medically accurate, LGBTQ+ inclusive, age-appropriate sex education” is “essential” and boasts that Democrats “will work to ensure LGBTQ+ people are not discriminated against when seeking to adopt or foster children.” 
    Full transcript of the Grenell/Log Cabin Republicans video:
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    President Trump is the most pro-gay president in American history. I can prove it.  
    My name is Ric Grenell. I’m America’s first openly gay cabinet member. 

    As a United States senator, Joe Biden said gay people couldn’t receive security clearances because we would be a security risk. 
    Joe must have been terrified when Donald Trump appointed me as Acting Director of National Intelligence. 
    The fact that I’m gay didn’t even faze Donald Trump. 
    Joe Biden certainly didn’t congratulate the appointment or even acknowledge it. 
    But his silence was deafening.  
    President Trump has done more to advance the rights of gays and lesbians in three years than Joe Biden did in forty plus years in Washington. 
    For four decades, Joe Biden has attacked the LGBT community.
    As a U.S. senator, Biden supported “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and the “Defense of Marriage Act.”
    Biden voted to cut off federal funds to any school that teaches acceptance of homosexuality. Biden said again and again that he was against marriage equality.
    [Biden video clip]
    And now, well, now that we’ve made progress, Joe Biden has changed his mind.
    I know firsthand that President Trump is the strongest ally that gay Americans have ever had in the White House.  
    Donald Trump is the first president in American history to be pro-gay marriage from his first day in office.  
    President Trump knew I was gay when he appointed me to one of the most prestigious and powerful ambassadorships in the world. 
    As Ambassador to Germany, President Trump fully supported our fight to crush the homophobic and barbaric Islamic terrorist organization, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime that supports them. 
    While President Trump was denying the homophobic regime money, the Obama-Biden team was giving them billions of dollars.
    Joe Biden not only admits it, he says he’ll do it again if elected president. 
    [Biden video clip]
    President Trump began a historic campaign to decriminalize homosexuality around the globe at the United Nations, where he publicly challenged the 69 countries who make being gay a crime to change their laws. 
    [Trump video clip]
    Gays and lesbians can be put to death in 9 countries just for being who we are. 
    So why did Joe Biden fail to make this issue a priority in his more than 40 years in Washington?  
    He’s never answered this question. 
    This is why I believe we need President Trump in office for another 4 years. And I’m certainly not the only one.  
    There are millions of patriotic gay Americans who are sick of being told to “sit down and shut up” by those who want to control us; Those who are afraid of our voice; Those who want to keep equality a partisan issue.
    They tell us our opinions don't’ matter because we don’t subscribe to their ‘group think.’ They try and bully us into silence.
    But in my experience, proud gay people don’t like to be silent. They like to be loud.
    Yesterday’s champions of diversity are today’s intolerance. 
    Well I love this country and I’m not going to be silent.  
    There are tens of thousands of gay conservatives just like me who also won’t be silent. 
    Gay people don’t have to vote Democrat, because Donald Trump is the most pro-gay president in American history.  
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2020, 05:17:49 PM »
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  • Ugh, I just finished defending the Trump Admin in another thread and then this happens. 


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #2 on: August 21, 2020, 05:21:06 PM »
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  • First Pence blasts Q as a "conspiracy theory" (he actually used that term! educated Catholics will understand the grave and deep significance of using that term*)

    God is trying to tell me something. I guess I have another 20 min. of free time this November 3rd.



    *According to Zero Hedge, the term Conspiracy Theory was created by the CIA in 1967 as a way to discredit anyone who dared to challenge their official version of the truth (1).
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #3 on: August 21, 2020, 05:32:37 PM »
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  • As a common sense Catholic, a "conspiracy theory" isn't outrageous or ridiculous at all.

    conspiracy = 2 or more men getting together to create and carry out a plan, usually in secret
    theory = using one's brain to try to figure out something, based on indirect evidence and logic, since none of us have video camera feeds running 24/7 in every room in America.

    Why is it so ridiculous to believe 2 or more men would try to create plan(s) and then try to carry them out -- without shouting their plans to the world?
    I don't find that unbelievable at all.

    Especially as a Catholic, we know for a fact that the Jews have been in a 2,000 year battle against Christ and His Church.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #4 on: August 21, 2020, 05:32:48 PM »
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  • He almost had me too.

    Just a few weeks ago, I posted a thread where I contemplated voting for him.

    Now this.

    Guess we are being punished by not having any morally acceptable candidates to vote for.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #5 on: August 21, 2020, 06:23:55 PM »
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  • Log Cabin Republicans


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #7 on: August 21, 2020, 06:27:15 PM »
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  • Look, the guy is certainly NOT perfect. It is disgusting that he has no problem with sodomites and it’s been obvious from the beginning that he doesn’t have a Catholic attitude toward perversion. Come on, is anyone surprised by it? I’m not. I've said this many times on this forum, I’m voting for him because he is an outsider. The conspirators hate him, he is disrupting their plans. That is why we should vote for him.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #8 on: August 21, 2020, 06:29:24 PM »
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  • Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #9 on: August 21, 2020, 06:32:09 PM »
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  • Look, the guy is certainly NOT perfect. It is disgusting that he has no problem with sodomites and it’s been obvious from the beginning that he doesn’t have a Catholic attitude toward perversion. Come on, is anyone surprised by it? I’m not. I've said this many times on this forum, I’m voting for him because he is an outsider. The conspirators hate him, he is disrupting their plans. That is why we should vote for him.

    Why should I care if a sodomite promoter is an insider or an outsider?

    A Trump presidency ruins this country:

    More souls will be damned for sodomy than for abortion.

    If that is true, is Trump really the lesser evil??
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #10 on: August 21, 2020, 06:40:22 PM »
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  • Why should I care if a sodomite promoter is an insider or an outsider?

    A Trump presidency ruins this country:

    More souls will be damned for sodomy than for abortion.

    If that is true, is Trump really the lesser evil??

    I agree.

    How are we promoting a pro-life future by voting for Trump? If the sodomite agenda is promoted, we'll be moving on to PEDOSEXUALS or "Minor Attracted Persons" (MAPs), bestiality, and necrophilia next. Gays/lesbians/transsexuals have already become mainstream. We'll continue the rolling downhill into Sodom & Gomorrah.

    How is that good for for the cause of God and Life?

    And Pence gave away the game when he used the term "conspiracy theory". He implicitly said Q is a bunch of crap, but the whole Q movement was the only thing suggesting Trump is truly working against the forces of evil.

    I do think Trump is stringing us along. Hillary isn't locked up. I don't even see a lot of bad guys getting prosecuted for their nonsense. Has the swamp been drained? He has Fauci as one of his officials, for crying out loud! Fauci is on the same team as Bill Gates. If Trump was any kind of good guy, Fauci would have been outta there.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #11 on: August 21, 2020, 06:44:04 PM »
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  • I should point out:

    I'm not suggesting that the Deep State isn't the devil. What I'm suggesting is that Trump vs. Deep State is "devil vs. devil" rather than "good vs. evil".

    One of the biggest lessons I learned in life: when 2 people or 2 sides are fighting, you do not always have a good guy. When 2 pagan tribes in Africa fight each other viciously to the death/genocide, which of the tribes is on God's side? Neither.  Which one should you go out of your way to support? Neither.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #12 on: August 21, 2020, 06:56:20 PM »
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  • Why should I care if a sodomite promoter is an insider or an outsider?

    A Trump presidency ruins this country:

    More souls will be damned for sodomy than for abortion.

    If that is true, is Trump really the lesser evil??
    I've read that approximately a quarter of American women will have an abortion in their lifetime. While not every one of them is damned(just as sodomites may reform), that's still far more "abortioners" than there are sodomites. And that's not even counting all the infants denied their chance at life and seeking their own salvation.

    And anyway, Biden supports the sodomite agenda even more than Trump does. At least Trump took trannies out of the military and heavily protested the Civil Rights Act being extended to gays.

    Trump is clearly immoral; even back in 2016 we knew he as a serial adulterer, an unscrupulous businessesman, and saw him wave a "pride" flag handed to him. So I respect your decision to refuse to vote for him. But let's not mischaracterise this as sodomy vs abortion; it's sodomy vs abortion and more sodomy.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2020, 07:05:11 PM »
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  • I've read that approximately a quarter of American women will have an abortion in their lifetime. While not every one of them is damned(just as sodomites may reform), that's still far more "abortioners" than there are sodomites. And that's not even counting all the infants denied their chance at life and seeking their own salvation.

    And anyway, Biden supports the sodomite agenda even more than Trump does. At least Trump took trannies out of the military and heavily protested the Civil Rights Act being extended to gays.

    Trump is clearly immoral; even back in 2016 we knew he as a serial adulterer, an unscrupulous businessesman, and saw him wave a "pride" flag handed to him. So I respect your decision to refuse to vote for him. But let's not mischaracterise this as sodomy vs abortion; it's sodomy vs abortion and more sodomy.
    There are about 1 million abortions/year in America.
    There are untold millions of acts of sodomy/year in America.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #14 on: August 21, 2020, 07:07:24 PM »
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  • Wouldn't the principle of double effect say that if you voted for Trump *because* of the good policies he supports or to *prevent* the (bad and perceived worse) bad policies of Joe Biden, that it wouldn't be a sin to vote for him?

    (not condoning for or against voting for Trump, though I don't understand why this is surprising.  We knew Trump supports homosexuality)


     

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