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Offline Matthew

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Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2020, 07:07:46 PM »
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  • There are about 1 million abortions/year in America.
    There are untold millions of acts of sodomy/year in America.


    True -- Even if a woman was very careless about it, using abortion for birth control, she would hardly have more than 1-2 abortions a year. How much sodomy is committed per sodomite per year?

    Abortion and sodomy are 2 of the 4 Sins Crying Out To Heaven for Vengeance.

    Both of the 2 major parties (face it, America is as solid 2-party system) back one or more of these sins. Very discouraging for Catholics, I must say.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #16 on: August 21, 2020, 07:07:56 PM »
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  • Why should I care if a sodomite promoter is an insider or an outsider?

    A Trump presidency ruins this country:

    More souls will be damned for sodomy than for abortion.

    If that is true, is Trump really the lesser evil??


    Forget the “lesser evil“ stuff, I don’t support any evil. In my mind, voting for Trump is not an evil, but actually a hope for
    a better future.

    And a Biden presidency won’t promote sodomy and abortion and communism and BLM and reparations and the Federal Reserve and globalization and welfare and Obamacare and tranny surgery and gun confiscation and the suppression of the Catholic mass?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2020, 07:56:14 PM »
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  • One might sin if Trump was promising to, say, impose gay marriage legislation at the federal level.
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    But that already happened, and it had nothing to do with Trump.  I am not seeing what the technical problem is, aside from him being morally repugnant.  Not that that is irrelevant, but I don't see where sin enters the fray.  It isn't sinful to vote for a man who believes x [sinful thing], it is sinful (or at least, could be) to vote for a man who promises to implement x [sinful thing].
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #18 on: August 21, 2020, 08:06:05 PM »
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  • It’s a mortal sin to impede the establishment of a militant sodomitic atheistic dictatorship?  Even if Trump is a horrible candidate, surely he isn’t quite as horrible as Biden or more importantly Harris? Maybe Trump shows his perversity openly but at least he isn’t planning on imposing laws that would forbid the practice of our “antisemitic” and “bigoted” religion.  Voting for Biden or even not voting at all will help usher in the closing of our chapels much sooner than a vote for Trump.  I have to wonder if the psyops haven’t started to take a toll on traditional Catholics.  Maybe we should try to counter that by praying more and doing more penance.  I see discussion about diets here.  Why don’t we all do the intermittent fast at least one day a week until the election along with the full Litany of the Saints daily?  For the intention for God’s guidance and protection during this time of political instability.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #19 on: August 21, 2020, 08:20:59 PM »
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  • Wouldn't the principle of double effect say that if you voted for Trump *because* of the good policies he supports or to *prevent* the (bad and perceived worse) bad policies of Joe Biden, that it wouldn't be a sin to vote for him?

    (not condoning for or against voting for Trump, though I don't understand why this is surprising.  We knew Trump supports homosexuality)
    Couldn't I vote for Biden then for the same reasons?
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #20 on: August 21, 2020, 08:24:22 PM »
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  • Forget the “lesser evil“ stuff, I don’t support any evil. In my mind, voting for Trump is not an evil, but actually a hope for
    a better future.

    And a Biden presidency won’t promote sodomy and abortion and communism and BLM and reparations and the Federal Reserve and globalization and welfare and Obamacare and tranny surgery and gun confiscation and the suppression of the Catholic mass?

    I would say you have some very selective perception!

    American is more degenerate than ever under Trump, and he is going to make it even more degenerate.

    Democrats and Republicans are the problem, not the solution.

    They offer the illusion of having a choice, but in reality, they are just the left and right parameters to box you in to the permitted revolutionary direction this country's handlers are bringing it.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #21 on: August 21, 2020, 08:27:48 PM »
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  • Things are starting to get ridiculous. I can understand voting for Trump, but I cannot garner any enthusiasm. But people will cry out "Vote for Trump, he only supports and promotes three of the sins that cry to heaven for vengeance, while Biden supports and promotes all four."
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #22 on: August 21, 2020, 08:35:30 PM »
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  • Couldn't I vote for Biden then for the same reasons?
    I don't conceptually understand how you could frame a case for doing this.  I've never seen a Traditional Catholic (And I'm being really broad here) even try.  And usually when Novus Ordos do, its something like "sure Biden supports child murder and whatnot, but like, Trump isn't perfect on abortion either, but look at all the *other* Catholic things the Democratic Party agrees with like no death penalty and allowing more immigration and being pro "social justice" and BLM and... you get the idea.  Stuff that isn't *even* really Catholic, just the more liberal side of the NO.

    Honestly the only reason I could even fathom to vote for Joe Biden would be something purely realpolitik and having nothing to do with the candidates themselves... something like "if Biden wins that will divide our enemies into Neoliberal and Progressive factions" or something like that.  I personally wouldn't do that, but I'm not sure I'd accuse someone who did decide to pursue that strategy of mortal sin.

    But otherwise.... like what argument could you even construct for doing that?  I suppose maybe if you sincerely thought Trump was going to bring about nuclear annihilation, that could trump the evil of a pro abortion position, maybe and arguably (not certainly by any stretch.)  But the evidence is against that too, Trump has been comparatively restrained on foreign policy too.

    To be clear, I'm not even trying to argue *for* a Trump vote, just wondering how we can make an accusation of grave sin.


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #23 on: August 21, 2020, 08:40:48 PM »
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  • If you can’t distinguish between Demonrats and Republicans, I feel sorry for you.  The Trump admin worked against state governments that were trying to shut down churches during the Covid lockdowns.  Do you think Biden/Harris will do the same?  In fact, federally there is no lockdown at all.  The lockdowns are state initiatives.  And they are mostly demonrat states.  Some states had no masking and no lockdowns.  They were Republicans.  So demonrat vs republican has consequences.  If the demonrats get the White House and Congress you should expect laws that will outlaw the practice of our Catholic religion.  I know some clergy are already considering possible contingencies.  But if it happens expect a lot of misery for yourself if you continue to practice your faith.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #24 on: August 21, 2020, 08:49:36 PM »
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  • I don't conceptually understand how you could frame a case for doing this.  I've never seen a Traditional Catholic (And I'm being really broad here) even try.  And usually when Novus Ordos do, its something like "sure Biden supports child murder and whatnot, but like, Trump isn't perfect on abortion either, but look at all the *other* Catholic things the Democratic Party agrees with like no death penalty and allowing more immigration and being pro "social justice" and BLM and... you get the idea.  Stuff that isn't *even* really Catholic, just the more liberal side of the NO.

    Honestly the only reason I could even fathom to vote for Joe Biden would be something purely realpolitik and having nothing to do with the candidates themselves... something like "if Biden wins that will divide our enemies into Neoliberal and Progressive factions" or something like that.  I personally wouldn't do that, but I'm not sure I'd accuse someone who did decide to pursue that strategy of mortal sin.

    But otherwise.... like what argument could you even construct for doing that?  I suppose maybe if you sincerely thought Trump was going to bring about nuclear annihilation, that could trump the evil of a pro abortion position, maybe and arguably (not certainly by any stretch.)  But the evidence is against that too, Trump has been comparatively restrained on foreign policy too.

    To be clear, I'm not even trying to argue *for* a Trump vote, just wondering how we can make an accusation of grave sin.
    Have you ever seen a traditional Catholic promote Trump on any other basis than the alleged and illusory end to abortion schtick?
    I've been hearing that same argument for the last 30 years.
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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #25 on: August 21, 2020, 08:50:55 PM »
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  • If you can’t distinguish between Demonrats and Republicans, I feel sorry for you.  The Trump admin worked against state governments that were trying to shut down churches during the Covid lockdowns.  Do you think Biden/Harris will do the same?  In fact, federally there is no lockdown at all.  The lockdowns are state initiatives.  And they are mostly demonrat states.  Some states had no masking and no lockdowns.  They were Republicans.  So demonrat vs republican has consequences.  If the demonrats get the White House and Congress you should expect laws that will outlaw the practice of our Catholic religion.  I know some clergy are already considering possible contingencies.  But if it happens expect a lot of misery for yourself if you continue to practice your faith.
    And if you do distinguish between democans and republicrats, I feel even sorrier for you:
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #26 on: August 21, 2020, 08:54:11 PM »
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  • And if you do distinguish between democans and republicrats, I feel even sorrier for you:


    Oops, that's a good one, but meant to post this one: No difference between democans and republicrats:

    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #27 on: August 21, 2020, 08:57:56 PM »
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  • First Pence blasts Q as a "conspiracy theory" (he actually used that term! educated Catholics will understand the grave and deep significance of using that term*)

    God is trying to tell me something. I guess I have another 20 min. of free time this November 3rd.



    *According to Zero Hedge, the term Conspiracy Theory was created by the CIA in 1967 as a way to discredit anyone who dared to challenge their official version of the truth (1).
    Pence received an envelope at H.W. Bush’s funeral.  We’ve known along that he was at best a grey hat.

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #28 on: August 21, 2020, 09:05:48 PM »
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  • Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Mortal Sin Now to Vote Trump?
    « Reply #29 on: August 21, 2020, 09:19:46 PM »
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  • One might sin if Trump was promising to, say, impose gay marriage legislation at the federal level.
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    But that already happened, and it had nothing to do with Trump.  I am not seeing what the technical problem is, aside from him being morally repugnant.  Not that that is irrelevant, but I don't see where sin enters the fray.  It isn't sinful to vote for a man who believes x [sinful thing], it is sinful (or at least, could be) to vote for a man who promises to implement x [sinful thing].
    Trump has revealed his hand in so many ways, but he gets a pass because he has very effectively used abortion to get into office.  Why are Catholics so blind?


     

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