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Mornac acknowledges defeat at FE
« on: June 21, 2007, 09:29:43 AM »
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    Mornac acknowledges defeat at FE
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 09:42:09 AM »
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  • I must commend his courage and simplicity.  God alone be praised for it, and may He guard and guide all here and at FE (and elsewhere) in these dark and often difficult days.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 05:15:04 PM »
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  • Deus in adjutorium
    O God, come to my assistance; O Lord, make haste to help me.
    -- Psalm 69:2

    The CRUCIFIXION
    Crudelissimum eterrimunque supplicuм
    (the most cruel and atrocious of punishments)
    -- Cicero [d. 43 B.C.]

    Persecute the dox if it is

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    « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2007, 10:11:31 PM »
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  • I have to go right now, so I apologize for the abbreviated question, but has anyone ever had any problems with the FE site itself being less than Catholic, or are the problems isolated to the forum?
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2007, 09:01:34 PM »
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  • I honestly have not looked at/used the site much.

    A quick note: The 'rock' threads are bloody frightening.  That so many 'trads' seem to be so into such disordered noise is a bit surprising/sad.

    "Music disposes the soul to virtue or vice."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #5 on: June 25, 2007, 12:50:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    I have to go right now, so I apologize for the abbreviated question, but has anyone ever had any problems with the FE site itself being less than Catholic, or are the problems isolated to the forum?


    I used the site and the forum extensively when I first found out there was such a thing as Traditional Catholicism.  I quit posting on the forum something like a year and half ago.  I rarely read there now.  I did make many friends there, so it was sad to leave, but I could no longer participate there.  As for the site itself, it seems orthodox enough.  It certainly shouldn't be the sole resource one learns their Catholicism from, but a good stepping stone.  
    "If you do not live as you believe you will believe as you live."

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    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2007, 03:23:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    I honestly have not looked at/used the site much.

    A quick note: The 'rock' threads are bloody frightening.

    Language!

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    That so many 'trads' seem to be so into such disordered noise is a bit surprising/sad.

    "Music disposes the soul to virtue or vice."


    Would Wagner be better?

    Clare.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 25, 2007, 05:31:19 PM »
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  • Considering your propensity for posting in the very thread/s that is/are a problem, I see no point in discussing this matter with you at this time.

    Btw, I used to really like Nirvana.  I could sing the songs word for word even now - they do so get into one's head.  God be praised I trashed all the disordered noise CDs I possessed.

    As for "language", I shall take your admonishing to heart when it actually applies - and you desist from publicly promoting the music of hell, wherein the language/imagery is as foul/impure as can be found (listen to the extra track on Nevermind, where in Cobain says "she had a...").

    Btw, the usage and meaning of "bloody" are not always synonymous/equivalent in places like the USA, Australia, and the UK.

    Wagner has problems of his own, but that is for another time.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 25, 2007, 06:16:42 PM »
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  • Sometimes I get the distinct impression that many traditional Catholics try to mix the ethos of the modern world with Catholicism. They cherish what the "world" cherishes but still acknowledge and even give assent to what the Church teaches. It is truly a heart divided. In the end though, it is always Catholicism which pays the price.

    I am more convinced than ever that this rock "culture" is simply at odds with Catholicism. I don't mean to say that if one listens to a rock song once in a blue moon that that is necessarily a deep problem but when someone is totally immersed in rock then their Catholicism will automatically take second place in their lives. There are certainly various types of rock music but I think in general a Catholic should do his utmost to avoid this type of music and begin listening to other forms of music which had more wholesome origins.

    Personally I have seen how rock music affects the soul. I see it in the way of dress and general appearance, language, manners and how the faith simply doesn't take hold in the soul of a rock afficionado (sp?). I know there are critics who will say that rock is harmless and that to maintain that it is actually incompatible to the faith is a bit extreme and unwarranted. But seriously I would ask these critics to honestly answer the question as to whether one who is immersed in this rock culture (I would include rap and pop music) can truly say to themselves that they are not being impeded in their path towards holiness.

    I am being honest in that I can see this tension taking place in my own soul. There are certain attachments to the world that I am constantly trying to weed myself from whether that be sports, t.v., and even the internet. Our Lord has said:

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    "Lay not up to yourselves treasures on earth: where the rust and moth consume and where thieves break through and steal. But lay up to yourselves treasures in heaven: where neither the rust nor moth doth consume, and where thieves do not break through nor steal. For where thy treasure is, there is thy heart also." - Gospel of St. Matthew 6:19-21


    Obviously this doesn't mean we are to be morbid all the time since as Catholics we should be joyful because of what the good Lord has given us but we mustn't fall into the defect of a certain buffoonery which can be described as an excessive love of amusement (I am not sure if that is a correct definition but I hope the idea has been conveyed).

    No we are not to be prudes (a label too easily thrown around by those who almost feel slighted because they are being challenged to live more integrally as Catholics) but we are not to be foolish as well.

    If as traditional Catholics we are in reality a mirror-image of our non-Catholic neighbour who LOVES the world with all its false ideas then there is a problem in my humble opinion. We are called to be saints and not wordlings with a Catholic veneer. Our Lord expects more from us than mediocrity. Do we really understand this?

    Please forgive this rant of mine but I see how much I fail to be an integral Catholic but realize that as traditional Catholics we should be even more of a leaven in this world. Let us pray for each other that we become devout Catholics.

    To be devout does not mean we are somehow avoiding the realities of this world but it means we can rise above them and offer solutions in theory and practice based upon the principles of the Catholic faith which is truly the only thing that will give us a lasting happiness.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 25, 2007, 06:42:55 PM »
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  • This extract comes from a German source from WWII written in 1944, When I first came actross it during my studies I found it scarey how well the author seems to understand the situation, just replace Jazz with Rock music.

    That is the political danger of Americanism. It leads those who fall prey to it away from political thinking, away from responsibility, even to their nation, away from decency, even from national decency.

    The American lad may use fine phrases to say that the nationalist is his political enemy. In reality, however, he fights a man who makes uncomfortable and difficult demands on him, the man who recognizes the fate of the nation as his fate, who respects the woman who will become the mother of his children, who wants to be a model, who always acts as if the eyes of the nation are upon him. The American lad feels his "freedom" restricted by such behavior. He wants to keep the hot music spinning on the record player, not be reminded that he must work as well as relax, that he must not only enjoy, but also honor the dignity of his nation.

    That is neither comfortable nor pleasant. It is pleasant to talk slang and enjoy a loose moral life with those of like mind. Americanism has its delights, and he who is captivated by them not only sticks his head in the sand, he also gets some pleasure. It is nice to be able to dismiss all criticism of a too hearty enjoyment of life with the claim that one is defending human rights against nαzι brutality.

    Americanism is not a logical development. It certainly does not spring from the descendants of the Virginia colonists with their Prussian sense of honor and duty, nor from the healthy farmers and citizens of the Midwest. It did not triumph easily against the often overdone moralism of Puritan circles. Its power grew along with that of Jєωry. As is the case of everything that follows the orders of Jєωry, Americanism's lack of culture and morality, its freedom-promising "Century of the Child," is nothing but a concealed way of ruining the youth.

    Americanism is a splendid method of depoliticization. The Jєωs have used jazz and movies, magazines and smut, gangsterism and free love, and every perverse desire to keep the American people so distracted that they pay no attention to their own fate. Even in politics, they are no longer influenced by the head, only by what is under the belt.

    The Jєωs would not be Jєωs if they did not want to apply such tested methods to the entire world. Nearly every nation in the world faced or is facing the need to combat Americanism, a generally pleasant retreat to a barbaric lack of culture.

    The logical consequences of Americanism will help the world combat it. The fact that 60% of American crimes are committed by children 13-years-old and under and that rapes increased three-fold between 1942 and 1943 proves that Americanism has reached its limits. It will cause a counter-movement that, just as in Europe, can only be political.

    Americanism is not merely a moral-cultural form of degeneration, nor can it be combated by nonpolitical means. It has already been defeated when one digs it up by its roots and sees there plainly the words: "Made in Israel."
    adstiterunt reges terrae et principes convenerunt in unum adversus Dominum et adversus Christum eius diapsalma disrumpamus vincula eorum et proiciamus a nobis iugum ipsorum

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    « Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 11:32:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    Sometimes I get the distinct impression that many traditional Catholics try to mix the ethos of the modern world with Catholicism. They cherish what the "world" cherishes but still acknowledge and even give assent to what the Church teaches. It is truly a heart divided. In the end though, it is always Catholicism which pays the price.

    I am more convinced than ever that this rock "culture" is simply at odds with Catholicism. I don't mean to say that if one listens to a rock song once in a blue moon that that is necessarily a deep problem but when someone is totally immersed in rock then their Catholicism will automatically take second place in their lives. There are certainly various types of rock music but I think in general a Catholic should do his utmost to avoid this type of music and begin listening to other forms of music which had more wholesome origins.

    Personally I have seen how rock music affects the soul. I see it in the way of dress and general appearance, language, manners and how the faith simply doesn't take hold in the soul of a rock afficionado (sp?). I know there are critics who will say that rock is harmless and that to maintain that it is actually incompatible to the faith is a bit extreme and unwarranted. But seriously I would ask these critics to honestly answer the question as to whether one who is immersed in this rock culture (I would include rap and pop music) can truly say to themselves that they are not being impeded in their path towards holiness.

    I am being honest in that I can see this tension taking place in my own soul. There are certain attachments to the world that I am constantly trying to weed myself from whether that be sports, t.v., and even the internet. Our Lord has said:

    Quote
    "Lay not up to yourselves treasures on earth: where the rust and moth consume and where thieves break through and steal. But lay up to yourselves treasures in heaven: where neither the rust nor moth doth consume, and where thieves do not break through nor steal. For where thy treasure is, there is thy heart also." - Gospel of St. Matthew 6:19-21


    Obviously this doesn't mean we are to be morbid all the time since as Catholics we should be joyful because of what the good Lord has given us but we mustn't fall into the defect of a certain buffoonery which can be described as an excessive love of amusement (I am not sure if that is a correct definition but I hope the idea has been conveyed).

    No we are not to be prudes (a label too easily thrown around by those who almost feel slighted because they are being challenged to live more integrally as Catholics) but we are not to be foolish as well.

    If as traditional Catholics we are in reality a mirror-image of our non-Catholic neighbour who LOVES the world with all its false ideas then there is a problem in my humble opinion. We are called to be saints and not wordlings with a Catholic veneer. Our Lord expects more from us than mediocrity. Do we really understand this?

    Please forgive this rant of mine but I see how much I fail to be an integral Catholic but realize that as traditional Catholics we should be even more of a leaven in this world. Let us pray for each other that we become devout Catholics.

    To be devout does not mean we are somehow avoiding the realities of this world but it means we can rise above them and offer solutions in theory and practice based upon the principles of the Catholic faith which is truly the only thing that will give us a lasting happiness.


    Well said, Obscurus.

    When I converted back to God after 8 years of sin, I stopped listening to rap music. But I continued to listen to pop and R&B since I thought there was nothing really wrong with them (as long as they weren't talking about fornication). But I still found myself in many ways attached to the world. Then I realized that, if I wanted to progress in holiness, I had to also cut out this type of music because it was still worldly. As soon as I did, I was able to conquer many venial sins that I had previously been unable to overcome. I moved forward in the spiritual life greatly.  

    Edit: I also wish to add that it was music that was one of the things that opened the door to my life of sin. And this was more "innocent" 80's music like "Depeche Mode", "Duran Duran", "Devo" etc...


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    « Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 10:20:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    As for "language", I shall take your admonishing to heart when it actually applies

    Do you know where the word "bloody" comes from? It's from "By Our Lady".

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    - and you desist from publicly promoting the music of hell, wherein the language/imagery is as foul/impure as can be found (listen to the extra track on Nevermind, where in Cobain says "she had a...").

    I don't have "Nevermind", and I never have! So I don't know what you are referring to.

    I have no albums by Nirvana (and I never have had any!). I might have a 7" single by them somewhere (Smells Like Teen Spirit). I might have got rid of it, when I was purging my record collection of stuff. I don't remember.

    But, yes, I like pop music! And some rock.

    Clare.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 10:36:56 AM »
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  • We need a thread on language, fair and foul.  I'm beginning to wonder if any words are pure.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 01:23:08 PM »
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  • Would Wagner be better?

    Yes, indeed!



    BTW, if you can't already tell, I'm a big fan of Wagner. :wink:
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    « Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 05:21:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: lefebvre_fan
    BTW, if you can't already tell, I'm a big fan of Wagner. :wink:


    Don't plants die when you play Wagner to them?!  :laugh1:

    Clare.