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Offline Nadir

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« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2013, 08:20:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    I didn't downrate it at first.

    However, after reading it again and seeing not only profanity but the claim that 999/1000 marriages were abusive, I decided it deserved a downvote because it makes typical marriages of the past seem like a hell.

    Also, complaints about rep are often worthy of downrates.


    Ditto
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    « Reply #31 on: April 07, 2013, 09:28:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    That annulment almost certainly should not have been granted.


    From what I know about the case I would dispute the word almost.


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    « Reply #32 on: April 08, 2013, 06:32:25 PM »
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  • Well Obviously, when parents do arrange marries pretty much they are saying "I don't trust you, you are not mature enough to make the biggest decision in your life.":baby:  The kids are in charge of there life, they choose what they do.  

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    « Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 08:46:46 PM »
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  • Arranged marriages have always been the norm rather than the exception here in India. Parents would choose a groom or bride for their children from the same *caste* and social status typically immediately after college or basic education. That's changed somewhat these days.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 12:38:09 PM »
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    A marriage into which one or both parties was forced or coerced is invalid.  I know of an unfortunate situation in which a woman was left ill and abandoned after 37 years and five children.  The husband met a woman two years the senior of his oldest adult child, and got an annulment because the novus ordo priests were convinced that it was a case of coercion by his wife's parents.  They had been "set-up" while stil in high school and fell into sin.  The fact that he chose to stay with her for 36 years and raise four more children was apparently meaningless, as was the fact that his wife had terminal cancer and was unable to support  herself.  There is a reason why Catholics do not formally "arrange" marriages.  If it's a mess now, imagine if Traditionals begin to "set their children up.". Introductions and input are welcomed and commendable, "arrangements" are not!
    Just my opinion...What do others think?


    Yes, Catholic marriage is a free decision on the part of the spouses. The priest has the responsibility to ascertain whether or not the prospective spouses freely agree to the marriage. If not, there could be grounds for annullment.

    But I think you confuse the issue here with this example in which annullment is unjustified and unjust. They were "set up" and fell into sin.  Not quite sure what that means.

    Some people here seem to equate arrangement with coercion. They are not the same thing.

    I cannot see why you assume that things would be worse if marriages were arranged, (of course with the agreement of the prospective spouses), than they are in the hit and miss methods employed today by unwise, naive, starry-eyed or sex-hardened youngsters, with little appreciation of the spiritual aspects of marriage.

    Also you seem to equate Catholics with Moderns when you say "... Catholics do not formally "arrange" marriages". Are you sure about that?
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    « Reply #35 on: April 09, 2013, 12:56:58 PM »
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  • Historically the presumption was that marriages were valid absent clear proof - now clearly they operate on the opposite presumption.

    Which is why I don't give two figs for what these modernist heretics think about the validity of marriages, particularly marriages performed outside of their "jurisdiction"

    And the disgusting tactics of manipulation the neo-SSPX uses in these matters is another reason to shun them.

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    « Reply #36 on: April 09, 2013, 08:32:39 PM »
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    However, after reading it again and seeing not only profanity...


    You do realize and assent to the well-established concept that vulgarity, in se, is not actually sinful, do you not? It may not be ideal, but it is not as big of a deal as most Trads seem to think.


    Tele, why not simply admit you cannot even begin to gainsay one iota of what I have said about the intrinsic sinlessness of vulgarity?  Still, I readily admit that it is better to avoid the use of such terms.  For having done so, I beg the pardon of the forum owner and membership.  Godspeed and goodbye.

    Pax vobiscuм :)
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