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« on: April 03, 2014, 09:32:35 AM »
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  • SITUATION OF POPE PAUL VI


    Judas Iscariot:
    The Pope, the Pope...he is a martyr. In a kind of way, he has been laid low - he would like to die. He would prefer not to go on living under these circuмstances. He is tormented by the thought that what he says is not being published throughout the world, and it is precisely what he would not want which is published by the cardinals. At all events, many cardinals, not all, but many, are involved in it. He has been deceived terribly. He is in a prison, harsher than any actual prison. We demons exert great pressure on him, we are doing everything we can. We have already done a lot.

    Exorcist:
    Continue, tell the truth,... and nothing but the truth!

    J: He is deprived of his freedom... so he can no longer do anything important. That is why we speak of him as a slow-worm who can only move without pain by creeping across the ground. He has nothing to say, neither to the right nor to the left, neither to the front nor to the rear. They are responsible for this - those false men who would like to see him gone.

    E: Continue, tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, on behalf of the Blessed Virgin! Continue to say what you must say on Heaven's behalf!

     
    HE IS A GREAT POPE BUT HIS HANDS AND FEET ARE TIED

    J: You must pray for the Pope. He is in a worse plight than a martyr. He would rather be stoned like Stephen. He is a great Pope although he is forced to remain silent. He carries a cross. Few achieve his eminence, although he appears to be small and powerless. In the beginning, he made some mistakes, which he realised a long time ago, and now his hands and feet are tied, even his tongue. He cries out to Heaven that he would like to restore the old liturgy, the Tridentine Mass: he would like...but his hands and feet are tied. He can do nothing.

    E: Speak only the truth, on behalf of the Blessed Virgin! Tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, about the Church and about Pope Paul VI!

    J: You can be sure that Pope, Paul VI would like to re-introduce the Tridentine Mass. Whenever you see on television, or have to see or read any part of these novelties, you can be certain that this does not come from him.

    E: Tell the truth, in the name...!


    GOD HIMSELF WILL INTERVENE

    J: They do with him as they wish. They are like wolves howling during a gale...this is what they want and what the “Modern” people, the masses, want. So they are popular. Quite recently, some of the good “Traditionalist” priests, who formerly had no doubts about the thinking of the Pope, have been led into error. But, as things are now, the thoughts of the Pope are not his own any longer. Now, in these times of dreadful disorder, the Pope is able to do practically nothing any more. Now, it is necessary for God Himself to intervene,...and He will intervene before long, very soon.

    E: What do you mean: before long? In a few years? Speak, in the name...all the truth!

    J: No, not that. It is closer, closer than you think.

    E: Tell the truth, in the name of the Blessed Virgin, about the Church and about the Pope! Continue to say what you must say, nothing but the truth!

    J: The worst thing for the Pope is seeing how even the “traditionalist” priests are in doubt about his thinking and his wishes. He can do nothing. Everything he does do is interfered with. Supposing he wants to send a letter outside - it does not reach its destination in the same form as it leaves him. It is altered before it reaches the post.

    E: Why doesn't he speak out during his audiences, his public audiences? He would be able to speak freely there!

    J: Many times he is no longer able to; he is no longer able to. Many times he scarcely knows what he is saying.. That is how these terrible errors and confusion are produced. He is an unfortunate Pope. The Blessed Virgin pities him, and Christ does too. But he must live out his martyrdom. For a very long time he would have preferred to be αssαssιnαtҽd by his own cardinals rather than go on living like this. He knows they are against him. He is very sensitive and feels it. His nerves are on edge. He is not a forceful Pope, but they wouldn't want a forceful Pope now - it would take too long to topple him over.

    E: Continue to tell the truth, in the name of the Blessed Virgin, tell the truth! We forbid you, in the name... we forbid you to lie!

    J: It was part of God's plan, now that the situation is such as it is, to have in office a Pope who is humble, submissive, selfless. The words of the scriptures must be fulfilled; that is why it was necessary for Pope Paul VI to come at this time - he was, in effect, chosen for this. They alone (he points upward) pity him. But all this will not last much longer. His martyrdom will soon be over; but to him, it will seem a long time; for to him, the days seem like weeks - worse than that, like months. You must pray for him, pray much more. It is appalling for him to see the Church tumbling down with everything topsy-turvy. You must believe that he would like everything still to be done the old way. He would prefer it if the Council had never been convoked. He is aware that what has eventuated from the Council - its frightful, devastating, catastrophic consequences, cannot be halted. They cannot be halted, even by prayer.

    E. Continue, say what you have to say, on behalf of the Blessed Virgin, about the Church and the Pope!

    J: All the bishops should be told that the Pope is not in control. But they don't believe it. They are blind. Of what use are their doctorates and their intelligence if they are so blind and do not believe! We know a lot more about it, we know a lot more about it than the bishops.

    E: Tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, in the name of the Blessed Virgin!

    J: They are afraid of each other. They are all afraid of the people - afraid of being given a hard time by them. Each one wants to dance to the tune played on the people's violin, although the bow does not produce tuneful sounds.

    E: Continue! Tell the truth, in the name of the Blessed Virgin!

    J: This violin is so out of tune. that it will soon not be possible to produce a sound from it at all - and this is what has the effrontery to call itself the Church! Do you understand? This still wants to call itself the Church! A cursed, corrupt, upside-down Church. Is this what a Church is - something which soon one will no longer have the nerve... will no longer be able to call a Church!

    E: Now that wasn't the Blessed Virgin speaking when you said: “It is a cursed Church”.

    J: No, you're right, that was us - that sentence was our own.

    E: Speak only the truth, and only what the Blessed Virgin wishes!

    J: In spite of all that, it is the truth. In a kind of way, it is what She wants me to say.

    J: It has almost reached the stage when the sects will soon be better than your Catholicism. The sects will be in a better position for they do not have its knowledge, nor are they guided by the Holy Spirit as the Church has always been. The sects say that it is the Holy Spirit, but it is really their own ideas that they want, in their illusion, to send throughout all the world. There are still some of them (bishops) who would prefer not to spread this (new) kind of Catholicism so much; they would still like things to be done the old way. They would still like that, but they are too cowardly. Their cowardice is an indictment against them right up to the highest places - up there close to the Great One (he points upward).

    E: Continue! Tell the truth, in the name...!

    J: If there are many prayers, some will see the light again, but for many it is already too late! Heaven is sorry about this, the Blessed Virgin is sorry, the Pope is sorry. These three, Christ, the Blessed Virgin and the Pope are in agreement; they are the only ones who do agree nowadays. The cardinals, - or at least, many of them - are not in agreement. The work that they are doing is the opposite of what Those up there (he points upward) wish, and what the Pope would like. The Pope is in a dreadful, dreadful situation!

    E: Continue to tell the truth, in the name of the Blessed Virgin! Say everything you must say, in the name...!


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    « Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 07:59:16 PM »
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  • Andysloan, Please read the following before you post anymore on that
    Necedah group and this questionable exorcism.  

    I myself was deceived. The information is out there on the net. PLEASE
    READ AND COMMENT. I hope in this reading you will change mind.

    http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Paul_VI_Beatified_.html


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    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2014, 06:17:19 AM »
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  • TO RC 1953


    I appreciate your concerns and warning.


    However, this exorcism is totally independent of any "group". If any such as the Baysiders have taken it to themselves, that should be dismissed and the exorcism event should be taken in total isolation. As I said in another post, the so called "messages" at Bayside discourage traditionalism


    "Our Lord” of Bayside, Sept. 14, 1986, Traditionalists are being led astray: “We hear all names coming forward to Our ears of churches being born anew, called the Traditional Roman Catholic Church.  My child and My children, We need no more Traditionalists running around and creating new churches."



    Whereas we read in the exorcism:


    Beelzebub: ...The same thing applies to the Holy Mass. The Mass of Saint Pius V is considered by Those up there (he points upward), by Heaven, to the preferred Mass. But many priests should be told that they have no right to trouble (or upset) people by saying: “If there is no Mass of Saint Pius V, do not go at all... say a Mass for yourselves at home on your own”.



    With regard to Pope Paul V1, if you consider the demons exposition about him, we hear that he made mistakes, that his communications were altered, that the opposite of what he wanted was communicated, that he had a double etc . Thus it is hardly surprising that an examination of all the output of his pontificate would produce doubt.


    Nevertheless, assuming the veracity of the scenario laid out in the exorcism, the case is made for his sainthood and the cessation of the process may be a providential deferral rather than a final ruling. We''ll see.


    The exorcism should be considered without any prejudice on its own merits. Pray and do some research.

    I have placed it on Cathinfo because believing it to be true, it contains very important perspectives, but it is for each to discern.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2014, 03:37:20 PM »
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  • AndySloan

    Look up on the Internet, Pope Paul Vl Mother's Headstone.  It has
    Masonic symbols on it. According more than one Cardinal, it was designed
    by Monsignor Montini himself.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2014, 03:50:54 PM »
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  • To RC 1953,


    I looked it up on the ABL forum, but it's not clear to me what the symbols are and I would not know how to interpret them. Any insights on this?

    The administrator asserts they believe it was designed by Pope Paul himself, but with no supporting evidence.


    Thanks for the insight anyway. But as I have said elsewhere, the exorcism event is for each to discern.


    God bless!




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    « Reply #5 on: April 04, 2014, 04:07:59 PM »
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  • I have a question for you, andysloan. You seem to often quote from private revelations. Which person's private revelations are your favorite?
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 04:20:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: andysloan

    And yours?





    I don't know enough about private revelations to have a favorite. I have read short articles about some of them and have heard about them on Catholic forums, but I never got a book about any of them and read them. So I am not informed enough to give a good answer.

    I am about to receive two bags full of religious books from a friend who needs me to store them for him for a while and I plan on reading some of them. Maybe if there are a few books about private revelations I will read them and see which ones I like the best.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 04:30:39 PM »
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  • Well the Mary of Agreda revelations are a great start.



    Then perhaps St Anne Catherine Emmerich:

    http://www.jesus-passion.com/DOLOROUS_PASSION_OF_OUR_LORD_JESUS_CHRIST.htm



    And also St Catherine of Siena.


    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2503455/posts


    Private Revelation. God continues to reveal Himself to individuals "not indeed for the declaration of any new doctrine of faith, but for the direction of human acts" (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II-II q174 a6 reply 3

       

    1 Corinthians 14:6


    "But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in doctrine?"



    God bless!






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    St. John of the Cross had a few things to say about private revelations, and he ought to know, because he had a lot of them.  

    He said, "Beware of private revelations, especially the approved ones."  




    It would seem that a "great start" would be avoiding them altogether.  



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    « Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 07:07:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: andysloan

    And yours?



    I don't know enough about private revelations to have a favorite. I have read short articles about some of them and have heard about them on Catholic forums, but I never got a book about any of them and read them. So I am not informed enough to give a good answer.

    I am about to receive two bags full of religious books from a friend who needs me to store them for him for a while and I plan on reading some of them. Maybe if there are a few books about private revelations I will read them and see which ones I like the best.


    You're not missing much, Matto, and you could be keeping the devil at bay by avoiding them.  

    Be very cautious, and do not develop an appetite for private revelations because they can become a kind of false god to you, as you might have noticed around here.   :shocked:


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    « Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 06:18:51 AM »
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  • Be instructed Matto!

    Neil Obstat knows better than St Paul and St Thomas Aquinas




    God continues to reveal Himself to individuals "not indeed for the declaration of any new doctrine of faith, but for the direction of human acts" (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II-II q174 a6 reply 3


       

    1 Corinthians 14:6


    "But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in doctrine?"



    When Neil Obstat cautions against private revelations (he accepts La Salette and Fatima), he means those which demonstrate to him that he is in error regarding the present situation of the Church, and that is offensive to his secret pride in which he exults in a sense of superiority over others.

       

    Mark 12:38

    "And he said to them in his doctrine: Beware of the scribes, who love to walk in long robes, and to be saluted in the marketplace,"


    They are given by the goodness of God, so with due discernment we should receive them with thanks.


    An insightful commentary

    Private revelation is an inspiration or revelation given by God to individuals for their own benefit or for the profit of others, as St. Paul tells us: “Now the manifestation of the Spirit is given to everyone for profit.” (1 Cor. 12:7). Unlike Divine revelation, no one is bound to believe in private revelation. But if a private revelation is authentic, then to withhold belief in it would be tantamount to turning a deaf ear to God. Such an act would result in the loss of spiritual goods, as St. Thomas Aquinas teaches: “prophecy, like other gratuitous graces, is given for the good of the Church.” (Summa, SS – 172, 4). God always has a purpose for whatever He does, and if He reveals something to us, we can be assured that He does so for our own good. Only a foolish man would ignore what the infinite wisdom of God chooses to reveal.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 08:24:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    St. John of the Cross had a few things to say about private revelations, and he ought to know, because he had a lot of them.  

    He said, "Beware of private revelations, especially the approved ones."  




    It would seem that a "great start" would be avoiding them altogether.  



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    I'm not against them per se, but it seems as if andysloan lives and breathes with them as if they are the most important.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    When Neil Obstat cautions against private revelations (he accepts La Salette and Fatima), he means those which demonstrate to him that he is in error regarding the present situation of the Church, and that is offensive to his secret pride in which he exults in a sense of superiority over others.

       



    Although I disagree with NO about avoiding them altogether, your posts come across just as prideful when you interpret them to fit YOUR positions.

    Pope Benedict XIV said of (approved) private revelations:

    it is possible to refuse to accept such revelations and to turn from them, as long as one does so with proper modesty, for good reasons, and without the intention of setting himself up as a superior



    Obviously we need to be careful when we choose not to accept them, but for anyone to tell another that they should or have to accept them is outright wrong.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 09:00:37 AM »
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  • 2Vermont said:


    "Although I disagree with NO about avoiding them altogether, your posts come across just as prideful when you interpret them to fit YOUR positions."




    It is about being docile to grace:



    2 Timothy 2:7

    "Understand what I say: for the Lord will give thee in all things understanding."




    Private revelations are an important instrument of instruction in our day:




    Jeremiah 23:1-3


    Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord.  Therefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel to the pastors that feed my people: You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you for the evil of your doings, saith the Lord. And I will gather together the remnant of my flock



    Deo Gratias.