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Offline BTNYC

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Monolingual Irish Speaker
« on: July 12, 2020, 03:19:41 AM »
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    • Not sure where else to put this. "General Discussion" would seem to be the right choice, but it seems that's not possible anymore.

    Anyway, here's a brief video (dating back to the 80's) of something I don't think anyone can still hear in real life in the "Modern World" - the Irish language spoken by a man who knows no other tongue:


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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 03:24:08 PM »
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    • The Irish language, a language that according to Irish tradition came straight from God, protected the Irish people for centuries from liberalism. You cannot 'cuss' in the Irish language, there is no 'bad or foul language', though she possesses many poetic blessings and curses for your friends and foes.

    Up until about fifteen or twenty years ago, if you met an Irish speaker you were nearly assured they were a committed Catholic with a very traditional mindset. 

    The government and EU then started funding sodomite organisations to promote deviant lifestyles in the Irish speaking communities. Traditional towns were suddenly forced to accept international gαy pride events, and with the general novus ordo apostasy, whatever remained of the traditional culture has disintegrated. The last number of Irish governments appointed men and women who could not even speak the language to be in charge of it, making a mockery of the 'Department of the Gaeltacht' (Irish speaking regions).

    You cannot say anything in the Irish language without invoking a saint or a blessing. An SSPX priest once told me he thought Irish was even holier than Latin. 

    The salvation of Ireland undoubtedly entails a return to her ancient holy tongue. Ba mhór an tslí chun Dé é - it would be a great act of mercy.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #2 on: July 12, 2020, 06:03:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: BTNYC on July 12, 2020, 03:19:41 AM

    … something I don't think anyone can still hear in real life in the "Modern World" - the Irish language spoken by a man who knows no other tongue …

    I think you might agree that what the video shows is actually of even greater significance: the last-known Irish bard declaiming tales and verse from a centuries-old and exclusively oral tradition. It was from a similar tradition, mutatis mutandis, that the Iliad and the Odyssey emerged.

    When the Ionian Greeks of the seventh or eighth century BC devised a form of writing, they made the recording of their own bardic tradition a priority. If the video is correct in what it implies, the immediate priority of the last Irish bard's kinsmen and townsfolk is lifting another pint or two.

    Something tells me that there's a lesson somewhere in this. Once I've wet my whistle, I'm sure I'll see precisely what it is.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 12:21:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on July 12, 2020, 06:03:36 PM
    I think you might agree that what the video shows is actually of even greater significance: the last-known Irish bard declaiming tales and verse from a centuries-old and exclusively oral tradition. It was from a similar tradition, mutatis mutandis, that the Iliad and the Odyssey emerged.

    When the Ionian Greeks of the seventh or eighth century BC devised a form of writing, they made the recording of their own bardic tradition a priority. If the video is correct in what it implies, the immediate priority of the last Irish bard's kinsmen and townsfolk is lifting another pint or two.

    Something tells me that there's a lesson somewhere in this. Once I've wet my whistle, I'm sure I'll see precisely what it is.

    Thank God for the efforts of the Dublin professor and his tape recorder. If he was truly at it for ten years (or more - Mr. Henry lived for another 13 years after this docuмentary aired in 1985), he must've catalogued an impressive collection of these stories. However, after some (admittedly not exhaustive) searching, I could not locate any transcripts / translations  of these tapes. One would think that, by now, a complete set of these stories, bound in handsome leather volumes, would be available in every Irish school and library, if not in most Irish homes. It would seem preservation and promotion of this treasure of Irish culture is still not a priority. When one reflects that those priorities now include "refugees are welcome" signs and electing queer Hindustani taoiseachs, one longs for the times when mere overindulgence in lager was the order of the day.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 01:00:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: BTNYC on July 13, 2020, 12:21:33 AM

    Thank God for the efforts of the Dublin professor and his tape recorder. If he was truly at it for ten years (or more - Mr. Henry lived for another 13 years after this docuмentary aired in 1985), he must've catalogued an impressive collection of these stories. However, after some (admittedly not exhaustive) searching, I could not locate any transcripts / translations  of these tapes. One would think that, by now, a complete set of these stories, bound in handsome leather volumes, would be available in every Irish school and library, if not in most Irish homes. It would seem preservation and promotion of this treasure of Irish culture is still not a priority. When one reflects that those priorities now include "refugees are welcome" signs and electing queer Hindustani taoiseachs, one longs for the times when mere overindulgence in lager was the order of the day.

    Hats off to you for looking into the background!

    While Varadkar and Shatter and others of their ilk might justly be regarded as recent Deep Superstate impositions on Ireland and its people, the roots of the subversion must go back many decades. What else, I wonder, could explain Robert Briscoe?

    Fifty-five or so years ago, in the bar near my Bronx college where the locals rather than the students drank, I heard an old Irish gent say grumpily that Saint Patrick didn't drive the snakes into the sea; he drove them into politics. As it happens, the gent was talking about de Valera (still very much alive in the mid-sixties), but Dev was neither the first nor the last snake to attain high office in Ireland even when it was still a Catholic nation.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #5 on: July 13, 2020, 01:41:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on July 13, 2020, 01:00:58 AM
    Hats off to you for looking into the background!

    While Varadkar and Shatter and others of their ilk might justly be regarded as recent Deep Superstate impositions on Ireland and its people, the roots of the subversion must go back many decades. What else, I wonder, could explain Robert Briscoe?

    Fifty-five or so years ago, in the bar near my Bronx college where the locals rather than the students drank, I heard an old Irish gent say grumpily that Saint Patrick didn't drive the snakes into the sea; he drove them into politics. As it happens, the gent was talking about de Valera (still very much alive in the mid-sixties), but Dev was neither the first nor the last snake to attain high office in Ireland even when it was still a Catholic nation.
    I’m convinced De Valera was a crypto Jєω, globalist agent who arranged for the comvenient demise of Michael Collins.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #6 on: July 13, 2020, 11:01:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: SoldierOfChrist on July 13, 2020, 01:41:00 AM
    I’m convinced De Valera was a crypto Jєω, globalist agent who arranged for the comvenient demise of Michael Collins.
    So long as you are aware that all the fenians were condemned by the Church. They were linked intimately with the Masons, the french revolutionaries and the infamous Carbonari. Show me your friends....
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #7 on: July 13, 2020, 11:04:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: St.Patrick on July 13, 2020, 11:01:49 AM
    So long as you are aware that all the fenians were condemned by the Church. They were linked intimately with the Masons, the french revolutionaries and the infamous Carbonari. Show me your friends....
    Agreed.  And would that not have included DeValera?
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #8 on: July 13, 2020, 11:20:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: SoldierOfChrist on July 13, 2020, 11:04:21 AM
    Agreed.  And would that not have included DeValera?
    Having a preference of one over the other does not make me a “friend” of either.  But from what I have seen, DeValera accelerated the fall of Catholicism in Ireland more than a Collins government would have.  That and I don’t like betrayers.  Benedict Arnold is far worse the revolutionary founders, even though we can assume that all were freemasons.  To call Benedict Arnold a snake, does make me a friend of the founders.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #9 on: July 13, 2020, 03:32:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: BTNYC on July 13, 2020, 12:21:33 AM

    … [Ireland's] priorities now include "refugees are welcome" signs and electing queer Hindustani taoiseachs …

    This clear-sighted article from 2016 framed the problem very neatly.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #10 on: July 14, 2020, 11:47:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: SoldierOfChrist on July 13, 2020, 11:20:49 AM
    Having a preference of one over the other does not make me a “friend” of either.  But from what I have seen, DeValera accelerated the fall of Catholicism in Ireland more than a Collins government would have.  That and I don’t like betrayers.  Benedict Arnold is far worse the revolutionary founders, even though we can assume that all were freemasons.  To call Benedict Arnold a snake, does make me a friend of the founders.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #11 on: July 14, 2020, 04:18:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: St.Patrick on July 13, 2020, 11:01:49 AM
    So long as you are aware that all the fenians were condemned by the Church. They were linked intimately with the Masons, the french revolutionaries and the infamous Carbonari. Show me your friends....
    Apples and oranges. The IRB were condemned too(for trying to overthrow their legitimate government), but most of the accusations your levying here are ones that only strongly applied to failed movements of centuries prior, which were only related by a (similar but not identical) cause. The IRB were not the United Irishmen, by any stretch of the imagination.

    The new Irish state was a far more conservative one than the British government it replaced, and far more Catholic too. There were Masons and feminists and the like involved, but overall they were probably less Masonic(and were definitely a lot more traditionalist) than the British government was.
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    Re: Monolingual Irish Speaker
    « Reply #12 on: July 16, 2020, 12:27:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on July 14, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
    Apples and oranges. The IRB were condemned too(for trying to overthrow their legitimate government), but most of the accusations your levying here are ones that only strongly applied to failed movements of centuries prior, which were only related by a (similar but not identical) cause. The IRB were not the United Irishmen, by any stretch of the imagination.

    False.


    The fact that DeValera told Fr. Fahey and Archbishop McQuaid that they were "living in an ivory tower" when requested to include a reference to Catholicism as the religion of the state (in the constitution) proves that he was liberal. He can't have claimed he didn't know, since he was asked by the Church.


    The constitution of the IRB was explicitly liberal. And IRB members took oaths on it all the way up to the war of independence. You can't try to separate into a 19th century/20th century thing therefore.


    The IRB/IRA were NEVER condoned by the bishops. Shouldn't that tell you something? The Church went quiet at 1916/1919 because the mob was in a fury. Not that it was a bad thing to rebel against a protestant power, but the rebellion was against God's doctrine. The people chose a party that refused Christ His place as King.

    We need to end this whackdadyo, dancing at the crossroads notion of Irishness. We have a great history to be proud of, but we have been great sinners too. What we are seeing today in our country is a direct line from the principles of our Masonic republic.
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