Author Topic: Modesty around the home (Read 94512 times)

wallflower · « **Reply #1080 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:05:52 PM »

Quote from: PenitentWoman

If my understanding is deficient, and you wish to provide me a different view, I am truly open to hearing it.

You may think you're open to it but you aren't. You have repeatedly proven that you aren't.

Everytime someone uses examples to show you how things may not always be ideal, you won't accept them. You turn it into a personal fault with them. Rather than admitting that yes maybe life throws curveballs and things aren't always ideal even if you try, and learning from the examples being put forth, it's -- well, homeschool moms do it, blogs moms do it, hey here's how you can get more organized, how hard is it to look in the mirror, nursing isn't that hard, pregnancy isn't that hard, I did it, obedience is seen as a bad word, be like Proverbs 31 etc...

It's like those dolls that you pull the string and they say a few phrases. No matter what you say to them you get the same responses. Someone who is constantly rejecting examples given and the experience of people who are there does not come across as being willing to learn.

Unless you ARE willing to learn but not from us. Then what I said about thinking you know it all (in this circle) and are here to correct us would be right. Either way, you're either willing to learn and need to show that in ways other than cheap talk or you're here to correct and might as well admit it. You can't have it both ways.

Marcelino · « **Reply #1081 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:08:03 PM »

Extended families were basically destroyed in the first half of the 20th century. We need them back. We don't need to go back to family farms to do that.

wallflower · « **Reply #1082 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:10:52 PM »

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When discussing why a man should not pick up a dish your reply is "why can't you welcome him?" and going on and on about other things as if a husband doing a dish means the wife (me, as it's my example) is not obedient or submissive or joyful etc... Let's not insult the intelligence here. There are ways in which you manage to imply these things in every post you make.

You just completely made that up. I said stuff that stated or implied my feelings on being a good Catholic wife in my very first posts here,

You just said all those things a couple posts back. Implying that those who disagree with you on dishes don't believe them.

wallflower · « **Reply #1083 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:15:14 PM »

Quote from: Marcelino

Extended families were basically destroyed in the first half of the 20th century. We need them back. We don't need to go back to family farms to do that.

I agree. We are working on getting there. My parents and a few married siblings already live very near each other. They provide a huge amount of support to each other. As it stands DH and I only have each other so we do what we have to do. There are ladies around and we all help each other out for meals after a baby and such but for the everyday trials you need family around. You can't foist that on friends and good hearted strangers. We wanted to be home this year but it may be in yet another year.

Marcelino · « **Reply #1084 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:16:46 PM »

Making enough money to support a family is very challenging these days. Employers demand far more from their employees than they used to. Most employees don't even get coffee breaks anymore and often work right through lunch, even though they are expected to do, what used to be, the work of two or three people.

Mothers don't have the support they used to get from their extended families anymore. So, they have to do everything by themselves.

At the end of the day, both of them are exhausted.

Obviously, this goes a long way in explaining the low birth rate. So, if you want a big family, you need to be a hero.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #1085 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:18:50 PM »

:chef:

wallflower · « **Reply #1086 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:19:36 PM »

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Obviously, this goes a long way in explaining the low birth rate. So, if you want a big family, you need to be a hero.

Lol, on that note, my time is up.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1087 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:24:47 PM »

Quote from: Marcelino

Making enough money to support a family is very challenging these days. Employers demand far more from their employees than they used to. Most employees don't even get coffee breaks anymore and often work right through lunch, even though they are expected to do, what used to be, the work of two or three people.

Mothers don't have the support they used to get from their extended families anymore. So, they have to do everything by themselves.

At the end of the day, both of them are exhausted.

Obviously, this goes a long way in explaining the low birth rate. So, if you want a big family, you need to be a hero.

The economy is far worse for ethnic Americans than for the migrant wave:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/national-data-january-jobs-half-of-new-jobs-go-to-immigrants-96-to-hispanics

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #1088 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:27:14 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

You may think you're open to it but you aren't. You have repeatedly proven that you aren't.

I've tried to fix our communication issue, but it isn't happening. I really wanted a friendly end, but you've made up your mind about me and short of submitting to your views, I don't think we can get anywhere. You seem angry.

I don't want to do a trad hair flip, so I'll try one more time...agree to disagree... for at least a week or so? LOL

Avoid further nauseating everyone who has been subjected into a severely mutated pajama discussion?

I think Blessed Mother would want us to just leave it be for awhile.

Agree?

Marcelino · « **Reply #1089 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:38:48 PM »

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Making enough money to support a family is very challenging these days. Employers demand far more from their employees than they used to. Most employees don't even get coffee breaks anymore and often work right through lunch, even though they are expected to do, what used to be, the work of two or three people.

Mothers don't have the support they used to get from their extended families anymore. So, they have to do everything by themselves.

At the end of the day, both of them are exhausted.

Obviously, this goes a long way in explaining the low birth rate. So, if you want a big family, you need to be a hero.

The economy is far worse for ethnic Americans than for the migrant wave:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/national-data-january-jobs-half-of-new-jobs-go-to-immigrants-96-to-hispanics

I think our leaders pander to those groups for political support, but also for practical reasons as well. White men will go to work. White women need to be lured into the work place, because they'll stay home instead. And immigrants are just like women in that regard. Blacks are not historically known for their eagerness to go to work either.

I think it's about keeping wages low and working conditions poor.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #1090 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:41:26 PM »

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Blacks are not historically known for their eagerness to go to work either.

Marc you racist!

Marcelino · « **Reply #1091 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:47:50 PM »

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Quote from: Marcelino
Blacks are not historically known for their eagerness to go to work either.

Marc you racist!

Marcelino · « **Reply #1092 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:05:57 PM »

Quote from: Graham

Tele were you still on FE during the thread about making a sandwich? I don’t recall one single woman who just said “Yes, I would make my husband a sandwich if he told me to.” Instead there were a hundred stipulations about the words he should use, his tone of voice, etc. That’s modern ‘traditional’ marriage for you!

I think Graham's got a point!

Marcelino · « **Reply #1093 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:09:31 PM »

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you might want to start dating in very old school Hispanic or asian communities, if at that, for this is highly un-realistic and even in the most traditional Catholic homes, non-existant....

That's how it was in my family growing up, although my mother was never a particularly accomplished around the home, (she was better at caring for us and educating us children) she was traditional, and she is German American.

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you are likely with this take, to be alone for a long, long time or havea wife that really, is pathological......then again, might snap and do a burning bed on you........

BTW, my wife is NO feminist, but after 17 yrs, can tell you, this quote and the rest of the post, not happening my friend.......

Don't assume that because you're in such a situation we're all in it. I agree with you though prospects for a truly traditional marriage are rapidly diminishing.

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your friend noted is no indicative of all and you likely are, again, colored to see a certain outcome of him or he might be an exception......

Oh no I'm not. He had a domineering mother who trained him to it.

I'm always amazed at the mothers I see and how they behave and how it's the polar opposite of my mother's behavior - she would never act that way in a million years.

Yeah, it's like the domineering mother/wife has become an ideal/role model for women in general. Her opposite is no longer the culture's ideal mother/wife.

Marcelino · « **Reply #1094 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:18:40 PM »

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Virtually every post in here blames the indecent activity on the immodest dress and demeanor of the women.

That's not true. You're talking about one poster you were arguing about saying that. Why are you addressing this point to me when I haven't argued that?

To clarify--I am not saying every post blames women; just that virtually every post that talks about adultery or immoral behavior blames women and makes the men sound helpless...and it is more than one man, Telesphorus.

We live in a culture where there are naked women plastered everywhere. You can't get an ice cream cone, without seeing lots of pictures or real life girls in skin tight clothes. It's just everywhere. What do you expect!

Men cannot control their passions, without divine help. They are far more inclined to give into temptation, than to resist it. Yet, they live in a culture where the overwhelming majority of women think it is no big deal to stir that up in men. They almost always deny any responsibility for it. So again, what do you expect!