Author Topic: Modesty around the home (Read 97188 times)

clare · « **Reply #1225 on:** September 22, 2012, 11:11:48 AM »

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Leave it to Clare to find a picture of the Pope with the Harlem globetrotters....

Yes, how can someone find a picture like that?

How? It was in a book I have of Pius XII quotes, and then I looked to see if it was online anywhere. Not difficult.

clare · « **Reply #1226 on:** September 22, 2012, 11:21:35 AM »

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You are demanding more than the Church does.

Since conciliar Rome demands no true moral standards, I would hope so.

You are demanding more than the pre-conciliar Church did.

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Shorts were originally male clothing.They are simply immodest male clothing. Because they should not be worn by men, does not mean that they cease to be male clothing.

Pants are male clothing, irrespective of whatever irrelevancies you bring to bear to suggest otherwise.

They were originally clothing that men wore first. There is no Divine Writ saying that clothes bifurcated below the waist are masculine. Men never used to wear them. It is not in revelation. It is a man-made fashion, and not divinely inspired.

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Pope Pius XI condemned women wearing pants.

Specifically? Where?

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What is depicted in religious art concerning angels in Heaven is not going to have the same effect of arousing lust, as seeing half-naked people walking around us on earth.

Now, there's a strawman! I'm not advocating half-naked people walking around.

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Again, you are confusing what we see in religious art, with what we encounter in our lives.

If someone sees a picture of an angel with part of the leg visible, that is not going to have the effect on him that seeing a girl wearing a miniskirt will have.

And I am not advocating women wearing miniskirts. I do not think that skirts which do not cover the ankles are miniskirts.

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Your interjections into this thread are confusing those who are trying to learn how to dress modestly.

I think that is what you are doing, by making out that things which are not immodest, are.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1227 on:** September 22, 2012, 11:31:52 AM »

People can have legitimate differences over what is acceptable. There is less room for debate over what is best.

The reason we've seen this slide is because of attitudes like Clare's.

They never seriously countenance a return to old standards, and they approve the slide, in one way or another.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #1228 on:** September 22, 2012, 12:07:14 PM »

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Trad Guy, I cannot think of a single Saint who deliberately cultivated physical beauty.

The Catholic Faith requires modesty, not beauty.

There were Saints who were 'beautiful' though of course.

And we are talking of a man finding a woman for marriage here and for that the cultivation of physical beauty is important for the woman and a healthy body is important for both the man and woman.

Anyway I agree that women shouldn't wear trousers.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #1229 on:** September 22, 2012, 12:07:23 PM »

Clare, do you like pants for the comfort? I don't miss jeans or slacks at all.

Ironically, Target just had soft fleece long skirts on clearance in grey and turquoise for $4.50. Too casual for a lot of things but justt as comfy as sweatpants/yoga pants. I wonder if long skirts are becoming more common because of the growing Muslim population where I live. I see a lot more head scarves too.

Spiritus, the reason I've asked here is because I just want an idea of what other women specifically wear themselves and what men view as modest when seeing a woman. Reading a list of guidelines and seeing them modeled nowhere is very frustrating. Women who grew up traditional or have been at this longer than me are used to seeing living models of modesty. I have anxiety because I need to show sincere repentance for past dress, but I cannot reasonably walk around dressed like I just stepped out of a time machine without drawing an excessive amount of attention to myself. I understand it gets annoying, I thought maybe pictures would help, but maybe I just need to trust myself. It sounds stupid, but it's important to me because of my past. I am not trying to be annoying.