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« Reply #1185 on: September 19, 2012, 10:46:55 AM »
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    Perhaps the advice on this link will help people to understand the requirements of true modesty:

    http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html


    Good info, but nothing against men/shorts and nowhere does it mandate womne=dress down to the floor.......we are not amish.......


    Furthermore, do any trad school uniforms follow Sede's stipulations?

    Young boys wear shorts. Although I do remember a distinction being made between shorts and short trousers. Two completely different things, of course!

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    « Reply #1186 on: September 21, 2012, 03:45:13 PM »
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  • So-called trad schools are deficient if they do not promote Catholic modesty.
    How angels are depicted in art is irrelevant to moral guidelines on how human beings should dress.
    Angels do not wear shorts, and even if they did they would not be tempting anyone.
    There is no temptation in Heaven.

    On earth, shorts are immodest clothing. They are exposing the legs. They are immodest.  

    Also, shorts are male clothing. So shorts should not be worn by women.


    Quote from: Deuteronomy.  20: 5
    A woman shall not be clothed with man's apparel, neither shall a man use woman's apparel…


    This sign was put up where Padre Pio heard Confessions:
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    By Padre Pio's explicit wish, women must enter the confessional wearing skirts at least 8 INCHES BELOW THE KNEE. It is forbidden to borrow longer dresses in church and to wear them to confession.

    Padre Pio put up this sign:
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    The Church is the House of God. It is forbidden for men to enter with bare arms or in shorts. It is forbidden for women to enter in trousers, without a veil on their head, in short clothing, low necklines, sleeveless or immodest dresses.



    Quote from: The Canadian Bishops in May A.D. 1946
    Man himself does not escape from the inclination of exhibiting his flesh:  some go in public, stripped to the waist, or in very tight pants …They thus commit offenses against the virtue of modesty.  They may also be an occasion of sin (in thought or desire) for our neighbor.


    How angels are depicted in art is irrelevant to moral guidelines on how human beings should dress.
    That is obvious.

    Skirts covering the ankles were the norm in Catholic countries before the twentieth century.
    So Catholic women’s skirts should cover the ankles today.
    Again, that is obvious.

    Genuine Catholics have a sensus Catholicus which will inform them of these matters.

    Women should follow "Marylike Standards of Modesty in Dress".

    In other words, dress like Our Lady.

    That is the way that good Catholic women dressed less than a hundred years ago, in many Catholic countries.

    This link provides information for any Catholic women who want to know how to dress properly:

    http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html


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    The Marylike Standards
    for Modesty in Dress
    (as set down by the Vatican)
    "A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper."
    --The Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI



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    1. "Marylike" means modesty without compromise -- "like Mary," Christ's pure and spotless Mother.
    2. Marylike dresses have sleeves extending to the wrists; and skirts reaching the ankles.
    3. Marylike dresses require full and loose coverage for the bodice, chest, shoulders, and back; the cut-out about the neck must not exceed "two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat" and a similar breadth around the back of the neck.
    4. Marylike dresses also do not admit as modest coverage transparent fabrics -- laces, nets, organdy, nylons, etc. -- unless sufficient backing is added. Fabrics such as laces, nets, organdy may be moderately used as trimmings only.
    5. Marylike dresses avoid the improper use of flesh-colored fabrics.
    6. Marylike dresses conceal rather than reveal the figure of the wearer; they do not emphasize, unduly, parts of the body.
    7. Marylike dresses provide full coverage, even after jacket, cape or stole are removed.
    8. Marylike fashions are designed to conceal as much of the body as possible, rather than reveal. This would automatically eliminate such fashions as slacks, jeans, shorts, culottes, tight sweaters, sheer blouses, and sleeveless dresses; etc. The Marylike standards are a guide to instill a "sense of modesty." A girl or woman who follows these, and looks up to Mary as her ideal and model, will have no problem with modesty in dress. She will not be an occasion of sin or source of embarrassment or shame to others.The standard set by the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI (quoted above) is meant to delineate between "decent" and indecent; it would be sinful to wear clothes which "cannot be called decent." We expect that members of the Fatima Crusade, who are resolved to make reparation for the sins of the world -- especially of immodest and impurity, will do far more than the minimum. They will truly strive to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary in the virtue of modesty. Keep this guide with you when buying clothes. Make sure that you purchase or make only garments which meet the Marylike Standards.
    "Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike."




    The whole problem of immodest clothing has been greatly exacerbated by Feminism.
    Feminism is utterly satanic.
    One of its vile fruits is that even some Traditional Catholic women now dress far worse than whores.

    A prostitute in the nineteenth century would have dressed with a skirt covering her ankles, her front covered up to her throat, her head covered, and long sleeves.
     
    And that is a prostitute trying to attract male clients !!!

    Traditional Catholic women are obliged on pain of mortal sin to dress modestly.
    Women should follow "Marylike Standards of Modesty in Dress".

    In other words, dress like Our Lady.

    That is the way that good Catholic women dressed less than a hundred years ago, in many Catholic countries.
    This link provides information for any Catholic women who want to know how to dress properly:


    http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html

    I heartily exhort everyone to read the article. It is very, very good.

    Feminists loathe the true Catholic concepts about how women should dress.
     
    Padre Pio refused to hear the Confessions of women whose skirts were not AT LEAST eight inches below the knee.
    So Padre Pio knew their skirts should have been much longer than that, but less than that was so sinful that he would not hear their Confessions.

    So Padre Pio would certainly have approved of women wearing skirts that cover the ankles.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
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    « Reply #1187 on: September 21, 2012, 03:47:19 PM »
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  • This link provides information for any Catholic women who want to know how to dress properly:

    http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html



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    1. "Marylike" means modesty without compromise -- "like Mary," Christ's pure and spotless Mother.
    2. Marylike dresses have sleeves extending to the wrists; and skirts reaching the ankles.
    3. Marylike dresses require full and loose coverage for the bodice, chest, shoulders, and back; the cut-out about the neck must not exceed "two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat" and a similar breadth around the back of the neck.
    4. Marylike dresses also do not admit as modest coverage transparent fabrics -- laces, nets, organdy, nylons, etc. -- unless sufficient backing is added. Fabrics such as laces, nets, organdy may be moderately used as trimmings only.
    5. Marylike dresses avoid the improper use of flesh-colored fabrics.
    6. Marylike dresses conceal rather than reveal the figure of the wearer; they do not emphasize, unduly, parts of the body.
    7. Marylike dresses provide full coverage, even after jacket, cape or stole are removed.
    8. Marylike fashions are designed to conceal as much of the body as possible, rather than reveal. This would automatically eliminate such fashions as slacks, jeans, shorts, culottes, tight sweaters, sheer blouses, and sleeveless dresses; etc. The Marylike standards are a guide to instill a "sense of modesty." A girl or woman who follows these, and looks up to Mary as her ideal and model, will have no problem with modesty in dress. She will not be an occasion of sin or source of embarrassment or shame to others.The standard set by the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI (quoted above) is meant to delineate between "decent" and indecent; it would be sinful to wear clothes which "cannot be called decent." We expect that members of the Fatima Crusade, who are resolved to make reparation for the sins of the world -- especially of immodest and impurity, will do far more than the minimum. They will truly strive to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary in the virtue of modesty. Keep this guide with you when buying clothes. Make sure that you purchase or make only garments which meet the Marylike Standards.

    "Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike."
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
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    « Reply #1188 on: September 21, 2012, 06:32:44 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:


    This skirt is similar to the ones I invested in this past spring.




    Is that good enough?  


    And can I wear leggings underneath so I don't freeze to death when I am scraping snow from my windshield in a blizzard?


    I know some people think this is a silly thing to worry so much about, but I am really struggling to figure it out.   :sad:

    I have not made many observations at church yet, but these dresses are close to what I have noticed.  Not good enough, right?






    Please don't get mad at me if those images are offensive.  :(    
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    « Reply #1189 on: September 21, 2012, 06:42:05 PM »
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  • PW I wouldn't get really obsessed about it, haha.

    One need not get $200 dresses to dress modestly. One can wear simple dresses in terms of modesty and be okay.

    I mean modesty is good and all but first we must attack the other 'toxins' in our way of life so to speak, such as our vile culture and the sɛҳuąƖ revolution.

    Also a woman can be as modest as she wants to but if she believes in the Marxian and Jєωιѕн principle of feminism then the modesty outside of the body is null.


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    « Reply #1190 on: September 21, 2012, 06:44:19 PM »
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    On earth, shorts are immodest clothing.


    One shouldn't get too much into this. Remember when doing a heavy workout shorts are NOT immodest clothing but will help you NOT get a heatstroke.

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    « Reply #1191 on: September 21, 2012, 06:50:00 PM »
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    PW I wouldn't get really obsessed about it, haha.

    One need not get $200 dresses to dress modestly. One can wear simple dresses in terms of modesty and be okay.

    I mean modesty is good and all but first we must attack the other 'toxins' in our way of life so to speak, such as our vile culture and the sɛҳuąƖ revolution.

    Also a woman can be as modest as she wants to but if she believes in the Marxian and Jєωιѕн principle of feminism then the modesty outside of the body is null.



    I'm trying not to obbsess, but I have to build up a wardrobe and I'd rather not get it wrong.

    I am very thrifty and shop consignment stores or clearance sections... those images were just examples of styles.
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    « Reply #1192 on: September 21, 2012, 06:55:39 PM »
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    I'm trying not to obbsess, but I have to build up a wardrobe and I'd rather not get it wrong.

    I am very thrifty and shop consignment stores or clearance sections... those images were just examples of styles.


    Well the dress should obviously have long hemlines but that's really the only specific I can think of, as in pre-1920's hemlines, before the hemlines started to get shorter. The dress also shouldn't be fashionable or snobby but be simple and useable for housework and outdoor work.


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    « Reply #1193 on: September 21, 2012, 07:03:35 PM »
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  • I'd also like to add for 'home exercises' there are sites which sell exercise dresses.

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    « Reply #1194 on: September 21, 2012, 07:06:44 PM »
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  • Dear PW,

    The first skirt nearly reaches the ankles, so a little longer and that one would be fine.

    The other two skirts are not modest clothing.

    Also, apart from length, women need to make sure that skirts (and also other clothing) are not "figure-hugging".
    In other words, the clothing should not highlight the woman's figure, but should obscure the woman's figure.

    Alls this is explained in a very clear way in the link which I provided earlier.
    I advise women to print this out and take it with them when they are shopping for clothes.

    Here it is again:

    This link provides information for any Catholic women who want to know how to dress properly:

                             http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html



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    1. "Marylike" means modesty without compromise -- "like Mary," Christ's pure and spotless Mother.
    2. Marylike dresses have sleeves extending to the wrists; and skirts reaching the ankles.
    3. Marylike dresses require full and loose coverage for the bodice, chest, shoulders, and back; the cut-out about the neck must not exceed "two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat" and a similar breadth around the back of the neck.
    4. Marylike dresses also do not admit as modest coverage transparent fabrics -- laces, nets, organdy, nylons, etc. -- unless sufficient backing is added. Fabrics such as laces, nets, organdy may be moderately used as trimmings only.
    5. Marylike dresses avoid the improper use of flesh-colored fabrics.
    6. Marylike dresses conceal rather than reveal the figure of the wearer; they do not emphasize, unduly, parts of the body.
    7. Marylike dresses provide full coverage, even after jacket, cape or stole are removed.
    8. Marylike fashions are designed to conceal as much of the body as possible, rather than reveal. This would automatically eliminate such fashions as slacks, jeans, shorts, culottes, tight sweaters, sheer blouses, and sleeveless dresses; etc. The Marylike standards are a guide to instill a "sense of modesty." A girl or woman who follows these, and looks up to Mary as her ideal and model, will have no problem with modesty in dress. She will not be an occasion of sin or source of embarrassment or shame to others.The standard set by the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI (quoted above) is meant to delineate between "decent" and indecent; it would be sinful to wear clothes which "cannot be called decent." We expect that members of the Fatima Crusade, who are resolved to make reparation for the sins of the world -- especially of immodest and impurity, will do far more than the minimum. They will truly strive to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary in the virtue of modesty. Keep this guide with you when buying clothes. Make sure that you purchase or make only garments which meet the Marylike Standards.


    "Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike."


    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
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    « Reply #1195 on: September 21, 2012, 07:07:57 PM »
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    :facepalm:


    This skirt is similar to the ones I invested in this past spring.




    Is that good enough?  


    And can I wear leggings underneath so I don't freeze to death when I am scraping snow from my windshield in a blizzard?


    I know some people think this is a silly thing to worry so much about, but I am really struggling to figure it out.   :sad:

    I have not made many observations at church yet, but these dresses are close to what I have noticed.  Not good enough, right?






    Please don't get mad at me if those images are offensive.  :(    


    They all seem fine.  Try not to be scrupulous.


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    « Reply #1196 on: September 21, 2012, 07:10:51 PM »
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  • Hmm I don't know why I got a downvote for saying one should wear shorts when exercising. When I run and lift weights, along with boxing, I wear jogging shorts.

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    « Reply #1197 on: September 21, 2012, 07:14:43 PM »
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  • Trad Guy, shorts are intrinsically immodest.
    They are not an option for traditional Catholics.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
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    « Reply #1198 on: September 21, 2012, 07:16:34 PM »
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    Trad Guy, shorts are intrinsically immodest.
    They are not an option for traditional Catholics.


    So when you jog you would wear trousers in summer?

    That seems very impractical to me, nevermind the fact you would lose your physical stimulus by overheating.

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    « Reply #1199 on: September 21, 2012, 07:18:00 PM »
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    Well the dress should obviously have long hemlines but that's really the only specific I can think of, as in pre-1920's hemlines, before the hemlines started to get shorter.



    I was in a musical called "Good News" that was based in the 1920's.  The hemlines were ridiculous. I've always wondered if the costumes were historically accurate.


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    The dress also shouldn't be fashionable or snobby but be simple and useable for housework and outdoor work.



    Awww yes, nothing too fancy when I am out in the barn tending to the cows in -50 windchill...lol.




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    I'd also like to add for 'home exercises' there are sites which sell exercise dresses.


    I have an "exercise skirt" from a modest clothing company.  


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