Author Topic: Modesty and how to dress (Read 33175 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #130 on:** September 25, 2010, 05:51:59 AM »

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It is nonsensical to make out that a type of garb which men never used to wear is exclusively men's garb, simply because they started wearing them first.

No, it isn't. Men started wearing them because they were suited to male occupations. Women did not adopt them. Why did they not adopt them? Christian societies accepted pants for men, but not for women. It takes only a modicuм of aesthetic judgment and taste to understand why. In feminist times however, it is always strongly argued that there is no reason women shouldn't wear pants. When I start to see an admission on your part that there are good reasons women shouldn't wear pants then I will start to think maybe you are looking at this issue more objectively.

female pantaloonery

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And to find the idea of men and women wearing similar clothes as subversive and un-Catholic, even though Our Lady and St Joseph wore similar clothes!

What is your evidence for that? The clothing of the ancient world was quite different for men and women. Women wore skirts to the ankles even in pagan times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stola

The clothes that are called "modest" today are at the extreme limit, beyond the limit, of what would have been tolerable in any Christian society.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #131 on:** September 25, 2010, 06:09:19 AM »

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It's a good article except it makes a serious mistake in presuming men and women's pants are equally modest or that it is prudery to suggest there is a difference. On that point Miss Townsend seems to contradict herself, since she spent a good deal of space describing how captivating actresses no longer concealed the pants under frocks coats to the knees. Certainly in the experience of anyone living today, there is no doubt that men's pants are as a rule more modest than the pants women typically wear.

clare · « **Reply #132 on:** September 25, 2010, 06:54:25 AM »

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Men started wearing them because they were suited to male occupations.

They were more convenient, in other words.

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When I start to see an admission on your part that there are good reasons women shouldn't wear pants then I will start to think maybe you are looking at this issue more objectively.

There are good reasons why men shouldn't wear them too, at least without some kind of top covering the hip region.

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And to find the idea of men and women wearing similar clothes as subversive and un-Catholic, even though Our Lady and St Joseph wore similar clothes!

What is your evidence for that? The clothing of the ancient world was quite different for men and women.

Have you seen paintings of them? St Joseph is not wearing trousers! The biggest difference is that Our Lady is wearing a veil.

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Women wore skirts to the ankles even in pagan times.

So did men.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #133 on:** September 25, 2010, 07:03:17 AM »

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They were more convenient, in other words.

They were more suitable for men than for women.

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There are good reasons why men shouldn't wear them too, at least without some kind of top covering the hip region.

When a woman reaches maturity her pelvis typically asssumes a characteristic shape- this is an allurement to men and pants on women in contermporary times nearly always accentuate this allurement.

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Have you seen paintings of them? St Joseph is not wearing trousers! The biggest difference is that Our Lady is wearing a veil.

Those clothes are not the same.

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So did men.

They wore their tunics higher than women did.

So far you have not admitted any reason why opposition to women in pants may have some validity.

clare · « **Reply #134 on:** September 25, 2010, 09:29:17 AM »

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There are good reasons why men shouldn't wear them too, at least without some kind of top covering the hip region.

When a woman reaches maturity her pelvis typically asssumes a characteristic shape- this is an allurement to men and pants on women in contermporary times nearly always accentuate this allurement.

Which is why I favour the wearing of a long top or tunic over trousers.

I don't really want to spell out why it is in a man's interest for him to cover the hip area as well.

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Have you seen paintings of them? St Joseph is not wearing trousers! The biggest difference is that Our Lady is wearing a veil.

Those clothes are not the same.

Similar. Men's and women's trousers are not the same either.

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So far you have not admitted any reason why opposition to women in pants may have some validity.

Why should I admit something I am not convinced by?

There is a contradiction.

On the one hand, women should not wear trousers because they are men's clothes.

On the other hand, women should not wear trousers because they are immodest and present an occasion of sin for men.

So men are attracted by women wearing men's clothes??

On yet another hand, men find women in skirts more attractive.

So, men are attracted to women "dressed as men", and also attracted to women dressed as women.

As I say, the matter of the women's hips can be addressed quite easily with a long top. So it need not be an issue.