Author Topic: Modesty and how to dress (Read 33214 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #105 on:** September 18, 2010, 09:23:20 PM »

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And, I've often made this point, and someone alluded to it earlier in this thread as well: Why should the feminists' promotion of women's trousers subvert the moral order, but feminists' promotion of short hair doesn't? Everything that can be said about trousers, and imitating men, and modern fashions offending Our Lord, can be said about short hair. Yet, somehow Catholic women are capable of having short hair without it meaning that we have sold out to the feminist agenda. Did Padre Pio tell women not to cut their hair? Is there a notice on our churches about Marylike standards of haircut? No. Somehow, this one modern fashion, which makes women a bit more like men, does not offend Our Lord. I would wager that loose-fitting trousers under a tunic do not offend Our Lord either.

I agree with you about the hair, by the way, and fashion doesn't just apply to trou.

clare · « **Reply #106 on:** September 19, 2010, 02:43:50 AM »

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And, I've often made this point, and someone alluded to it earlier in this thread as well: Why should the feminists' promotion of women's trousers subvert the moral order, but feminists' promotion of short hair doesn't? Everything that can be said about trousers, and imitating men, and modern fashions offending Our Lord, can be said about short hair. Yet, somehow Catholic women are capable of having short hair without it meaning that we have sold out to the feminist agenda. Did Padre Pio tell women not to cut their hair? Is there a notice on our churches about Marylike standards of haircut? No. Somehow, this one modern fashion, which makes women a bit more like men, does not offend Our Lord. I would wager that loose-fitting trousers under a tunic do not offend Our Lord either.

I agree with you about the hair, by the way, and fashion doesn't just apply to trou.

I wasn't saying women must grow their hair long. The Church doesn't say they must. Women don't get turned away from confession until their hair grows! I haven't heard that Padre Pio did that either.

I was just wondering why trad Catholics can accept that short hair doesn't undermine the family, but not that trousers don't either. I would say that, if either is a "crime" short hair is more likely to be one than trousers.

Hair is a bit confusing. The NT says men shouldn't have long hair and women should. Yet Our Lord had long hair, so maybe it's relative! Women should have longer hair than men!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #107 on:** September 19, 2010, 02:47:28 AM »

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I would wager that loose-fitting trousers under a tunic do not offend Our Lord either.

Women shouldn't wear men's clothes. Trousers were not acceptable clothing for women in Europe until feminism came along.

Moreover pants are generally immodest.

A woman who cuts her hair too short is probably doing something wrong most of the time.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #108 on:** September 19, 2010, 03:08:04 AM »

Modern women's fashions are a direct result of the dechristianization of society. That fact fatally undermines arguments that say the acceptability of women's fashions are a matter of time and place. In fact, today's fashions are not only contrary to Christian morality, but contrary to natural morality that was accepted in most places.

I wouldn't argue that women wearing pants in certain contexts is necessarily sinful, or having a short hair style necessarily sinful, or having a skirt that doesn't go to the ankles or below is necessarily sinful.

But to defend pants on women, to defend hems just below the knees, to defend short hair styles as though it were just as good as wearing long hair, I think it's worse than dressing in that manner, especially using the argument of cultural relativism. Because the difference in today's culture is that society is not Christian, and that accounts in large part fort he difference in dress.

The vehement defense of the fashions of the 20th century and the ridicule and mischaracterization of those who make valid criticisms of them is indefensible.

clare · « **Reply #109 on:** September 19, 2010, 04:44:05 AM »

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I would wager that loose-fitting trousers under a tunic do not offend Our Lord either.

Women shouldn't wear men's clothes. Trousers were not acceptable clothing for women in Europe until feminism came along.

They were not always men's clothes either. Our Lord, and St Joseph didn't wear them.

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Moreover pants are generally immodest.

Cardinal Siri said they were not immodest!

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...the wearing of men's trousers by women cannot be said to constitute as such a grave offence against modesty, because trousers certainly cover more of woman's body than do modern women's skirts.