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A criticism of Fr. Feeney is that he stopped publishing The Point in 1959. Why? Also Conde McGinley stopped publishing Common Sense, a similarly-themed newsletter that focused on Jєωιѕн influence, around the same time.

It feels like a copout. The Point was sorely needed during and after Vatican II. It's needed now.

I've heard about L. Brent Bozell's Triumph magazine, published from 1966-1975. I'll have to check it out and see if it's as good as The Point. Though reading Bozell's Wikipedia page, his association with lots of lightweights who never zeroed in on the Jєωιѕн angle, doesn't leave me expecting much from his newsletter.

Old issues of Triumph can be found on Anna's Archive: https://annas-archive.org/search?q=triumph


Instauration is a newsletter that I view as filling a gap after the demise of The Point. Joe Sobran first got into hot water with the Jєωιѕн establishment in the early 1980s for saying some positive things about the newsletter. Wilmot Robertson wasn't Catholic and it's not a Catholic newsletter, but there's still much to learn in just about every issue.
Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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  • I don't know.  Maybe he felt too old, too tired, ran out of funding, etc.  Toward the end of his life, he did suffer from various heart issues and Parkinson's disease.  Not sure if it was already making itself felt by 1959.

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    Feeney was editor of The Point, which ran a mixture of theological and political articles, some of them branded anti-semitic by Feeney's critics. The newsletter frequently contained sentiments such as:

    the Church has never abandoned her absolute principle that it is possible for an individual Jew to scrap his hateful heritage, sincerely break with the ѕуηαgσgυє, and cleanse his cursed blood with the Precious Blood of Jesus. (October 1957)

    Those two powers, the chief two in the world today, are Communism and Zionism. That both movements are avowedly anti-Christian, and that both are in origin and direction Jєωιѕн, is a matter of record. (September 1958)

    As surely and securely as the Jews have been behind Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, or Secularism, or Communism, they are behind the "anti-hate" drive. The Jews are advocating tolerance only for its destructive value — destructive, that is, of the Catholic Church. On their part, they still keep alive their racial rancors and antipathies. (July 1955)

    The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith monitored The Point magazine for at least 14 editions. In 1955, the League exchanged correspondence with the Federal Bureau of Investigation regarding possible criminal investigation of Feeney and his followers, but no investigation was started.

    So it appears that the B'nai B'right tried to get the feds to investigate Father Feeney, but I guess free speech had yet to be completely eroded back then.


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    https://excatholic4christ.wordpress.com/2019/10/04/leonard-feeney-opposed-catholicisms-drift-into-universalism/

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    The new Vatican II accommodations to Protestants and other religionists took many years to spread through the church and become accepted. I can vividly remember a specific incident while attending Bishop Kearney Catholic High School in Rochester in the early 1970s. Irish Christian Brother, John “Cookie” Gilchrist, was teaching our religion class and reiterated the traditional Catholic teaching that only baptized Catholics had a chance of meriting Heaven. One of my classmates, Dennis Kennelly, strongly challenged Gilchrist, stating that a Protestant friend of his was a “good person” and had as much of a chance at Heaven as anyone else. Gilchrist’s face turned scarlet as he struggled to control his anger. He insisted that the church taught that only baptized Catholics could possibly merit Heaven. Amazingly, the Catholic religious instructor was not aware of the Vatican II ecuмenical reforms ten years after the fact!!!





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  • Evidently Cardinal Segura y Sáenz was also a (quiet) supporter of Father Feeney.  Seemed like a great man.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Segura_y_S%C3%A1enz
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    A staunch conservative, Segura upheld the Church's teaching in the December 1864 Syllabus of Errors by Pope Pius IX, condemning separation of Church and state, especially opposing toleration of Protestants, and condemned the belief "that all religions are equally acceptable in the presence of God". He also described the Inquisition as "meritorious", and prohibited Sevillian Catholics from attending movies and dances. He likewise opposed giving the vote to the 5,000,000 women in Spain over the age of 21.

    Late in his administration, a series of pamphlets were distributed which were seen as attacking Segura's enemies, who were considered to include the Pope and the Spanish nuncio. Segura was considered to have been the source of the pamphlets. The Holy See applauded the Chapter of Seville Cathedral's condemnation of these leaflets. The appointment of José Bueno y Monreal as coadjutor archbishop by the Vatican was seen as response to the publication of the pamphlets. In November 1954 Segura was recalled from his position by the Vatican but refused to leave the Archiepiscopal Palace and had to be removed by police.

    So evidently Cardinal Segura did not see eye to eye with Pope Pius XII.  So the Vatican called the police to have him physically removed from the Archiepiscopal Palace.


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  • I don't know.  Maybe he felt too old, too tired, ran out of funding, etc.  Toward the end of his life, he did suffer from various heart issues and Parkinson's disease.  Not sure if it was already making itself felt by 1959.

    So it appears that the B'nai B'right tried to get the feds to investigate Father Feeney, but I guess free speech had yet to be completely eroded back then.
    Yes, and Jews went after Conde McGinley as well. The Freedom of Information Act allowed these docuмents about surveillance of McGinley to be released: https://archive.org/search?query=conde+mcginley+foia

    In one of the docuмents there are grainy images of McGinley going about his daily business (buying a coffee, et cetera). Someone from the FBI, or a perhaps a Jew, followed him around snapping pics.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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  • A criticism of Fr. Feeney is that he stopped publishing The Point in 1959. Why? Also Conde McGinley stopped publishing Common Sense, a similarly-themed newsletter that focused on Jєωιѕн influence, around the same time.

    It feels like a copout. The Point was sorely needed during and after Vatican II. It's needed now.

    I've heard about L. Brent Bozell's Triumph magazine, published from 1966-1975. I'll have to check it out and see if it's as good as The Point. Though reading Bozell's Wikipedia page, his association with lots of lightweights who never zeroed in on the Jєωιѕн angle, doesn't leave me expecting much from his newsletter.

    Old issues of Triumph can be found on Anna's Archive: https://annas-archive.org/search?q=triumph


    Instauration is a newsletter that I view as filling a gap after the demise of The Point. Joe Sobran first got into hot water with the Jєωιѕн establishment in the early 1980s for saying some positive things about the newsletter. Wilmot Robertson wasn't Catholic and it's not a Catholic newsletter, but there's still much to learn in just about every issue.

    Thank you so much for this.  Over 100 issues, no less.

    I hadn't been able to find Triumph prior to this.  You've made my day.

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  • Thank you so much for this.  I hadn't been able to find Triumph prior to this.  You've made my day.
    Sure! I was surprised to find it as, like you, I'd been searching for a while.

    You have to use the "Slow Download" link, as the "Fast Download" requires a fee. Still the slow download is fast enough.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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  • Sure! I was surprised to find it as, like you, I'd been searching for a while.

    You have to use the "Slow Download" link, as the "Fast Download" requires a fee. Still the slow download is fast enough.
    Not if you're using "DownThemAll" (Firefox plug-in).  Don't know if I'm going to attempt that or not, not sure it'd work with Anna's Archives, you never know until you try.

    I archive massive amounts of stuff and make redundant backups.


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  • Not if you're using "DownThemAll" (Firefox plug-in).  Don't know if I'm going to attempt that or not, not sure it'd work with Anna's Archives, you never know until you try.

    I archive massive amounts of stuff and make redundant backups.
    I doubt DownThemAll will work, but if it does please let me know. I've downloaded a few using the slow download links and it takes about 10 minutes for each of them. But internet speeds vary.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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  • I doubt DownThemAll will work, but if it does please let me know. I've downloaded a few using the slow download links and it takes about 10 minutes for each of them. But internet speeds vary.
    I have smokin' hot AT&T Fiber and can download things very fast.  I haven't tried DTA yet, due to the way the page is set up, I doubt it'd work, but I can always try and see.  If it's a modest donation, I wouldn't mind making one, to be able to take advantage of DTA, but I won't know that until I try.

    I was interested to see that Triumph contained some secular advertising.  They had an ad for Schick razors, which makes me think that the Frawley family might have been patrons of TriumphThe New American also carries advertising for small companies presumably sympathetic to their cause, such as the Zignego family in Wisconsin that owns a road construction company.

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  • I just checked, Anna's Archives has a tiered membership scheme, the higher your level, the more downloads you can make per day.  $5/month gets you 20 downloads a day.  Not clear whether DTA would work, but if you're downloading 20 at a time, jumping through all the hoops of invoking DTA would be kind of pointless.  Clicking 20 links one-by-one is nothing.

    I may play around with it here later today.


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    https://excatholic4christ.wordpress.com/2019/10/04/leonard-feeney-opposed-catholicisms-drift-into-universalism/
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    Did you see the name of that website? "Ex Catholic". I looked at the About page on there and sure enough the author of the site (who also wrote what you quote here) apostatized into protestantism.

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    Did you see the name of that website? "Ex Catholic". I looked at the About page on there and sure enough the author of the site (who also wrote what you quote here) apostatized into protestantism.

    Same thing happened to a lot of people raised in the NOM with no access to or even any awareness of the true Faith. Prots were ready like vultures to pick them off, and the conciliarists pretty much shrugged. From the rest of his story, this would have been late 70s/early 80s.

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    I was baptized into the Catholic church as an infant, had my first confession and received my first communion when I was seven, and was confirmed when I was ten. All of my parents’ six children attended parochial grammar and Catholic high school. I wouldn’t say my family was piously religious by any stretch, but we did attend mass every Sunday. I was an altar boy from 5th through 8th grades and even entertained the idea of being a priest someday, but lost most of my interest in religion by the time I went to high school. Like most Catholics my “faith” was just a part of my family and cultural baggage. I do remember having a bit of an epiphany in 6th grade when the question occurred to me, “If going to Heaven is a matter of obeying the Ten Commandments and church rules as Catholicism teaches, then why did Jesus have to die on the cross?” Little did I know the Holy Spirit was working in my heart even then.


    “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” – Galatians 2:21


    After my wife and I were married and our two sons were born, I was determined to be a responsible Dad and raise our children in the Catholic faith. I began attending mass again and even bought a Catholic Bible. Catholics aren’t generally encouraged to read the Bible and relatively few do. As I read the New Testament I discovered many discrepancies between God’s Word and Catholicism. I became so disillusioned that I stopped attending mass. As I continued to read the Bible a couple of born-again Christians witnessed to me at work. I found from the Bible that salvation cannot possibly be earned by baptism, church membership, obeying the Ten Commandments, or trying to be “good” as Catholicism teaches, salvation for sinful man is only by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE!

    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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  • Here are all issues of The Point from 1952-1959



    https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Did you see the name of that website? "Ex Catholic". I looked at the About page on there and sure enough the author of the site (who also wrote what you quote here) apostatized into protestantism.

    So?  He's recounting the story of when he was being taught by Brother Gilchrist.  This is not about him but about Brother Gilchrist.