Author Topic: Modern women want to have their cake AND eat it too (Read 7967 times)

Matthew · « **on:** July 14, 2011, 05:30:41 PM »

Do you know any modern women who seem to want all the benefits of old-fashioned values/morals, but want things that old-fashioned women would never have sought, such as career, equal power in marriage, etc.?

I've actually met women who seem old-fashioned in some ways -- but they are completely modern in other ways.

It makes you wonder, does a man even exist for them? And how could he -- he'd be a walking contradiction. A square circle.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:20:10 PM »

FWIW, I think moderns in general, be they men or women, want to have their cake and eat it, too -- when it doesn't happen, children flip out, married folks get divorced, etc. Leaving aside fallen nature's tendencies in that direction, I suspect that mentality has been chemically formulated by some mega-nerds at the CDC and put into our water... :scratchchin:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:39:00 PM »

There is a rather good cure for this. Alas, the book was written by a mormon lady, and I can't seem to find a good one that rivals it by a Catholic author, mors the pity.

http://tinyurl.com/6lagnr2

Here are the first few pages for your reading pleasure, ladies.

For the unmarried, go here:

http://tinyurl.com/69lbaks

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:43:07 PM »

On the other hand (and this is related, but might be good for another thread "modern MEN want to have their cake and eat it too") there are men with 1) unrealistic expectations with the way women are, and 2) it's been belabored enough that there aren't enough "manly men" out there (which I agree, but I think men are simply reacting to the absolutely warped way WOMEN behave now days).

Here is something for the men!

This was written by the husband of the mormon woman that wrote the books in the previous post.

http://tinyurl.com/68cn7xh

MaterDominici · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:44:06 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

There is a rather good cure for this. Alas, the book was written by a mormon lady, and I can't seem to find a good one that rivals it by a Catholic author, mors the pity.

http://tinyurl.com/6lagnr2

Here are the first few pages for your reading pleasure, ladies.

For the unmarried, go here:

http://tinyurl.com/69lbaks

A fellow parishioner loaned this to me once upon a time. She couldn't speak highly enough about it. I was still working and busy reading "all about baby" books at the time, so I never got very far into it. Good to know it's online.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:04:57 PM »

I have a -- how do you say it... "mentally unstable" mother-in-law (doesn't everyone? Uh... I argue no.) that gave me this book years ago.

I have to say, that it was the dumbest thing I ever did to ignore it. When I DID read it, I repeatedly KICKED myself that I didn't read it when she gave it to me rather than waiting 7 years after the fact.

I can't tell you enough how wonderful both of these books are: The first, for the married, and the latter for the single.

I'm telling you-- if these books were given and made required reading in the Catholic schools, you would see an absolute transformation of society.

These books are the absolute nightmare of the feminist movement.

Sophia · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2011, 06:04:29 PM »

Considering the fact that I'm a traditional Roman Catholic young woman and I want a family AND I want to be a teacher AND open my own art school...I think that I can and there is nothing wrong with that. My mother and father have been together 2 years, 6 children, we're all Catholic and both my parents have careers. Absolutely nothing wrong with a woman wanting a career and a family.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2011, 06:16:28 PM »

Quote from: Sophia

Considering the fact that I'm a traditional Roman Catholic young woman and I want a family AND I want to be a teacher AND open my own art school...I think that I can and there is nothing wrong with that. My mother and father have been together 2 years, 6 children, we're all Catholic and both my parents have careers. Absolutely nothing wrong with a woman wanting a career and a family.

Unless you are a single mother, you CANNOT be a successful career woman, let alone a good mother who provides for the emotional and psychological needs of her children.

There is a very good reason why women have STAYED at home, and the man instead has gone out to work and provide for his family unit. The children that have been raised by career-moms are the testament of their failure.

Personally I dont like the analogy of having the cake and eating it too. You get the cake you want and you eat it. But we're talking more than one cake here. Can you eat two WHOLE cakes? It's either one or the other, or half of each (which doesn't work in this case)

It's a different situation when a woman has to provide for the house in the absence of a man, but a woman who want's to have a successful career that takes her away from the home and her children, whom at the same time she wishes to raise into fine Catholics and citizens, IS PICKING 3 LARGE PEARS WITH 1 HAND.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2011, 06:18:02 PM »

Quote from: Sophia

Considering the fact that I'm a traditional Roman Catholic young woman and I want a family AND I want to be a teacher AND open my own art school...I think that I can and there is nothing wrong with that. My mother and father have been together 2 years, 6 children, we're all Catholic and both my parents have careers. Absolutely nothing wrong with a woman wanting a career and a family.

The book that I listed in this thread is essential reading for you, my dear.

It will help you understand what is expected of you as a TRUE CATHOLIC WOMAN, and a woman that has aspirations of being a mother.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2011, 07:39:35 PM »

Sophia, I'm glad you made it here!!! Even though alot of the people might sound harsh, try your best not to feel contempt or rejection of the advice given. I used to think probably many of the same ways you do (I went to college, and later realized how perverted it was and how they brain wash all of us kids).

Catholic motherhood should be viewed as the pinnacle of the woman's life, but sadly today its about being equal to men. But really... are men and women really equal? We are different in many ways that compliment eachother actually.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2011, 01:40:17 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Do you know any modern women who seem to want all the benefits of old-fashioned values/morals, but want things that old-fashioned women would never have sought, such as career, equal power in marriage, etc.?

I've actually met women who seem old-fashioned in some ways -- but they are completely modern in other ways.

It makes you wonder, does a man even exist for them? And how could he -- he'd be a walking contradiction. A square circle.

Thread title: Modern women want to have their cake AND eat it too

My Reponse: They want to but cannot.

That's the sad thing about a lot of girls and women today. It is like the issue of the permanent diaconate in a sense. It is difficult to live two vocations, if possible, without lacking in both or either of them.

A woman then desires to have both the married and, in a certain sense, the single life. It is hard to not be lacking in either or both.

I remember one of the interviews with Bishop Williamson, though, where he talks about how even though a woman may have had a career, she can apply her knowledge and experience to raising her children and taking care of a household. The best thing for many single women today then is to find a husband, as Bp. Williamson also put forth.

I think someone on the forum maybe recently pointed out how men attract what they are too, and so the men need to improve themselves on the natural level and let the grace of God work in them to build on nature.

Jaynek · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:07:16 AM »

I do not think that a woman working outside the home is in the same class as woman who rejects the authority of her husband. There may be cases where financial necessity forces a woman to have an outside job. It could be what her husband wants her to do.

But the headship of the husband is an important spiritual reality that is at the core of marriage.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:18:14 PM »

A woman who works outside the home, truly undermines her husband by usurping his role, and lacks trust in him.

As a wife, if you want things to go well in your marriage, you will not take his role as the provider on yourself. This makes him feel like less of a man.

Jaynek · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:49:43 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

A woman who works outside the home, truly undermines her husband by usurping his role, and lacks trust in him.

As a wife, if you want things to go well in your marriage, you will not take his role as the provider on yourself. This makes him feel like less of a man.

What if the husband tells her to get a job? Should she go against his authority?

LordPhan · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:18:55 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek

Quote from: parentsfortruth
A woman who works outside the home, truly undermines her husband by usurping his role, and lacks trust in him.

As a wife, if you want things to go well in your marriage, you will not take his role as the provider on yourself. This makes him feel like less of a man.

What if the husband tells her to get a job? Should she go against his authority?

This would be a poor reflection on him. Is this person hypothetical? Are these hypothetical people impoverished?