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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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« on: August 05, 2014, 10:05:09 PM »
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  • To be honest.  Maybe there would be less feminists (modern women)
    When men start behaving like men.

     :incense:   Instead of attacking womanhood, you should honor it .  


    In the end Her Immaculate Heart shall triumph!
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    « Reply #1 on: August 06, 2014, 12:59:40 AM »
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  • I agree with you, Viva Cristo Rey. The women would naturally follow men and be true women if the men would act like true men and lead the women.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2014, 09:05:53 AM »
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  • We need to pray for those men who think they are Catholic
    But are being guided by the devil.  
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    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2014, 09:42:12 AM »
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  • Is this thread a swipe at Matthew for posting that quote from that Scandanavian moron about Feminism?

    I agree that that quote has no place on a Catholic forum - and I said as much on that thread. Its source taints whatever point is trying to be made.

    But that doesn't take anything at all away from the fact that Feminism is a pervading evil of the modern era - probably one of the most widespread and insidious. And an attack on Feminism is not an attack on womanhood, it is a defense of it.

    I'm sure you merely made these posts in a moment of emotion and did not intend this result, but saying that Traditional Catholic men are "obsessed" (your word) with combatting Feminism sounds an awful lot like the Bishop of Rome's complaint that Catholics in general are "obsessed" (his word) with combatting abortion, contraception and sodomy. It's all the more ironic considering how intimately linked those latter three evils are with Feminism.

    All of these evils are deserving of opprobrium from Catholics - men and women alike - and no amount spent in the effort is too much.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM »
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  • Yes you are right.  I think that these people who make these
    Quotes or send pictures are working for the devil.

    Even a cute picture of kitten can come from abortion clinic and how many of us will share the picture of kitty from abortion lover.  

    The words mean nothing when they come from
    Satan.  The cute picture of kitty means nothing.

    Thanks to novous ordo many people especially women
    Were betrayed by our clergy and nuns.  Look at the nuns
    On the bus with book and soon movie.

    I look at the sspx in South America where they prayed
    The Rosary while being persecuted by the pseudo
    Catholics having interfaith ceremony with people who hate Christ.

    Cardinal Dolan is promoting and condoning evil.

    Feminism is even in Irish dancing. I said something to a tradcat
    Women about the little girls wearing heavy makeup
    And goofy wigs, she got mad at me.

    Then there are novous ordo women who are happily married with many children. Then there are the liberal novous ordo women who hate men and family. Some want to be priests.

    We learn from our Lady of the Snow that some good Catholics wanted children but can't have them.

    When I was novous ordo, they were pushing for equality for women, feminism
    Then they wonder why no new vocations and many are divorced.




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    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2014, 10:26:11 AM »
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  • However, I stand for the restoration of Christ the King.
    And we need priests to act like priests, men to act like men and women to act like woman.
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2014, 10:35:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    Is this thread a swipe at Matthew for posting that quote from that Scandanavian moron about Feminism?  More about mcquigley.

    I agree that that quote has no place on a Catholic forum - and I said as much on that thread. Its source taints whatever point is trying to be made.

    But that doesn't take anything at all away from the fact that Feminism is a pervading evil of the modern era - probably one of the most widespread and insidious. And an attack on Feminism is not an attack on womanhood, it is a defense of it.

    I'm sure you merely made these posts in a moment of emotion and did not intend this result, but saying that Traditional Catholic men are "obsessed" (your word) with combatting Feminism sounds an awful lot like the Bishop of Rome's complaint that Catholics in general are "obsessed" (his word) with combatting abortion, contraception and sodomy. It's all the more ironic considering how intimately linked those latter three evils are with Feminism.

    All of these evils are deserving of opprobrium from Catholics - men and women alike - and no amount spent in the effort is too much.
    [/quote
    It just added to the others like mcquigly whatever his name is and the guy lusting after his foreign nanny.  That is evil

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    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2014, 10:36:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    However, I stand for the restoration of Christ the King.
    And we need priests to act like priests, men to act like men and women to act like woman.


     :incense:
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2014, 10:39:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

    It just added to the others like mcquigly whatever his name is and the guy lusting after his foreign nanny.  That is evil



    Yes, Greg's post was stupid and scandalous.

    It's not the first such post from him and it's unlikely to be the last.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 06, 2014, 10:40:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    However, I stand for the restoration of Christ the King.
    And we need priests to act like priests, men to act like men and women to act like woman.


    Amen. Can't argue with a single word there.


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    « Reply #10 on: August 06, 2014, 11:27:18 AM »
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  • How am I lusting after her?  I said she was no oil painting.

    I'm just pointing out that if one lowers one sights, a bit, then a lot more comes into view.  Because I see her interact with my children everyday I can see she has got everything a man needs in a woman, assuming he does not need a beauty queen.

    I simply don't believe that the majority of women are sex-obsessed feminsts who have no interest in being mothers because that is not my experience of women.  A huge number of women still want to be homemakers and mothers and plenty would be happy to stay at home and not work if they could have a reasonable standard of living on their husband's wage.

    Naturally the minority of women who are going to play the field and use their sɛҳuąƖ powers to manipulate men are going to be the better looking ones.  But they are pretty easy to spot too.

    So avoid them and date the ones who are not like that.

    Simples.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 06, 2014, 07:17:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    How am I lusting after her?  I said she was no oil painting.

    I'm just pointing out that if one lowers one sights, a bit, then a lot more comes into view.  Because I see her interact with my children everyday I can see she has got everything a man needs in a woman, assuming he does not need a beauty queen.

    I simply don't believe that the majority of women are sex-obsessed feminsts who have no interest in being mothers because that is not my experience of women.  A huge number of women still want to be homemakers and mothers and plenty would be happy to stay at home and not work if they could have a reasonable standard of living on their husband's wage.

    Naturally the minority of women who are going to play the field and use their sɛҳuąƖ powers to manipulate men are going to be the better looking ones.  But they are pretty easy to spot too.

    So avoid them and date the ones who are not like that.
    Simples.


    I agree with you completely, with one proviso:

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    A huge number of women still want to be homemakers and mothers and plenty would be happy to stay at home and not work if they could have a reasonable standard of living on their husband's wage.*


    * Reasonable standard of living does not entail living a life indistinguishable from a "worldling" or person who lives FOR this world. It does not entail enjoying every modern convenience life has to offer, including but not limited to: yearly vacations, new/expensive cars, eating "high on the hog", eating out regularly, buying lots of consumer goods/gadgets, TV/cable/movie collection, cell phone(s), keeping the heat so high you can wear shorts in the winter, being wasteful and re-buying things without necessity, etc.

    Imitating God, a man should support his family with what they NEED, but not necessarily everything they WANT. Sometimes a want isn't even good for them, even if you can afford it (let's face it -- God isn't hindered in this regard!) so he might require his family to do without certain luxuries on purpose.

    I wouldn't turn the A/C below 79, or the heat above 66 in the winter, even if I made a cool million per year. I don't want my kids to wear sweaters in the Texas summer or shorts in the winter -- that's just wrong! Nothing says "Americans need a reality check" more than seeing people don sweaters in the summertime.

    A man must provide food, shelter, utilities, transportation, pay property taxes if you own a house (so you can keep your house!), keep whatever insurance is prudent (car insurance to obey the law, home insurance unless you like living dangerously, and health insurance unless you have $1M in the bank and can self-insure, or unless the gov't is giving out free coverage of some sort), education of his children, etc.

    I'm sure most women would be content to have a man who is willing to work hard for his family -- you know, a man with a job! Or at least a man who knows what he wants and is actively working towards it on a daily basis.

    But as for doing without a few things -- A little sacrifice never killed anyone. A bit of challenge faced as a family can actually benefit the family's cohesion. On the other hand, look at how many rich & famous couples worth millions of dollars are miserable, their marriages are measured in months, etc.  Or forget hollywood -- look at the typical worldly couple down the street from you. Their children don't lack ANYTHING in the material realm (each has his own room, TV, computer, cell phone, cash allowance, everything they want, etc), but they are miserable and their families are completely fragmented. No family unity whatsoever. That shouldn't be our goal.

    But a certain modicuм of material things is necessary to live a virtuous life (cf. St. Thomas Aquinas), so a man can't be a complete dreamer or a layabout.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 06, 2014, 10:22:41 PM »
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  • Yes but women have great influence over men. A woman can literally make or break a man. Women also have power to change men's hearts! so men that cannot act as men is also due in part to the faults of the women that raised them or marry them.

    Women are the hearts of the home. When the heart breaks, the home also breaks, the neighborhood breaks, the city breaks and so on,... and the whole society is no more.

    As Pope Pius XII said, "women are responsible for the harmony and happiness of the home. Just as it is the duty of the husband to work to provide the necessities for the home, it is the wife's duty by her wisdom to ensure its proper well-being and to procure the undisturbed serenity of your common life.."

    Quote from: Pius XII

    The mother is the sun of the family. She is its sun by her spirit of generosity and sacrifice, by her constant readiness, vigilance, delicacy and tact in all that touches the happiness of her husband and her children; she radiates light and warmth. …

    The wife is the sun of the family by the light of her smile and the warmth of her word: a smile and words that inspire, mold and soften the soul, raise it above the tumult of passion, and bring to the husband the enjoyment of good and of family life at the end of a long day of continual and perhaps difficult work in his profession, either in the fields or in the taxing affairs of commerce and industry. One glance from her eyes throws a light with manifold reflections; one sound from her lips contains a thousand words of affection. Such light and sound spring from a mother's heart, create and enliven the paradise of childhood, radiate goodness and gentleness everywhere even when they upbraid and reprove, so that young souls which feel more deeply, may understand more thoroughly and profoundly the laws of love.

     The wife is the sun of the family by her natural frankness, by her straightforward dignity, by her irreproachable Christian behavior. She is its sun in the recollection and rectitude of spirit, in the subtle harmony of her bearing and dress, in her elegance and in her deportment - at once both reserved and affectionate. Delicacy of sentiment, charm of countenance, ingenuous silences and smiles, a compliant nod … all give to her the grace of an exquisite, unspoiled flower, which opens its petals to receive and reflect the colors of the sun. If you only knew with what profound sentiments of love and appreciation such a picture of wife and mother fills and impresses the heart of husband and children! …

    What happens when the family is deprived of that sun? When the wife continuously - even in the most intimate circuмstances - does not hesitate to make known what great sacrifices she makes for married life? What happens to her lovable sweetness when because of an excessively severe upbringing, unbridled irritability, and an angry coldness of countenance and speech suffocate in the children the hope of finding happiness and joyful solace in their mother? What happens when she sadly does nought else but disturb and embitter the loyal unity of the family circle with sharp tones, complaints and reprovals?

     What happens to the generous tact and tender love when instead of forming with natural and exquisite simplicity an atmosphere of pleasant peace in the home, she takes the attitude of a dissatisfied, nervous and demanding lady, according to the fashion? Is this to diffuse the warmth and life of the sun? Is it not rather to freeze with the chill wind of eventide the garden which is the family?

     Can anyone wonder that in such circuмstances, the husband does not find at the fireside anything to attract, hold and comfort him? That the husband will escape from it as much as he can, thus provoking a similar desertion on the part of the wife - if indeed it is not her absence which provokes his? Both thus go to seek elsewhere - with grave danger to their souls and to the great harm of the family unity - the peace, rest, and pleasure denied them in their own home. In this state of affairs, the unfortunates who suffer most are undoubtedly the children.

     You see, o wifes, to what an extent you are responsible for the harmony and happiness of the home. Just as it is the duty of your husband to work to provide the necessities for the home, it is your duty by your wisdom to ensure its proper well-being and to procure the undisturbed serenity of your common life. This is not only an office given you by nature, but a duty of Christian virtue, by the acts and merits of which you grow in the love and grace of God.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2014, 05:54:04 AM »
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    A man must provide food, shelter, utilities, transportation, pay property taxes if you own a house (so you can keep your house!), keep whatever insurance is prudent (car insurance to obey the law, home insurance unless you like living dangerously, and health insurance unless you have $1M in the bank and can self-insure, or unless the gov't is giving out free coverage of some sort), education of his children, etc.


    As for food most women would want some variety of food for their children.  The odd steak, smoked salmon twice a year, fresh vegetables, meat that was not chewy.  If you cut out table sauces, the better cuts of meat, stick to the cheapest foods you can cut your grocery bill enormously.  You can also use old newspapers to wipe your....  But food is also a pleasure and mothers get a pleasure out of seeing their families eat well.  That is why they make those huge efforts at Christmas time and other holidays.  My wife and her various Russian friends here in the UK will work really hard before a large gathering of Eastern Europeans to pull the stops out and produce a fantastic spread of good food.  There are always some luxury items in there like smoked salmon, prawns/shrimp etc.  Wherever I have travelled in the world,this love for good food is a universal constant.  Anglo Saxons and Protestant countries tend to have the least love for food and see it as utilitarian.  The French and Italians and Spanish and Arabs and Uzbeks and Japanese love their food.  Difference cultures value different stuff.  English and Americans drive flashy cars and spent money on the outside look of their homes, to other cultures these things are more utilitarian.

    As for shelter most women want to raise there children in a similar or better home than they were raised.  You can bring up a family of nine in a house with one toilet and bathroom.  We had two toilets and one bathroom in the house I grew up in all with separate doors.  There were 11 of us but it was workable with the odd argument from the girls.  Our grandparents used outhouses.  I have one bathroom, three shower rooms and a total of four toilets in my house.

    If you are looking for a woman raised in a first world country who is happy to live and raise a family in a house that does not have an inside flushing toilet, then you are going to find that most women expect one and usually expect one toilet upstairs and one downstairs, so if they or their children need to go to the toilet at night they don't wake the whole house up.  And most people want two toilets in a house that will have half a dozen or more people.

    So defining "shelter" is more than just four walls and a roof for most people most of the time.

    Next, take the summer vacation period.  Our 6 children are off school until early September and need to occupy their day.  My wife has an agenda of what they will do all day.  My mother was ill when I was growing up so she was a little less focused on planning.  In the mornings they might visit a park, in the afternoon play in the garden.  At 4pm today I am coaching the cross country team.  Also today she is dropping visitors back to London Airport.  That is 50 dollars in gasoline for the airport trip alone.  At some point during the summer holidays we will visit a castle and a theme park with roller-coasters and probably take them to the theatre in London, last week they all went to see a sci-Fi movie at the local movie theatre on a cheaper day.  Still cost 40 dollars for the ticket. I don't consider it luxury living to do those sorts of trips to entertain children during the summer.   I think it is important for children to have fun and do fun things, go on roller coasters, visit museums in a large city etc.  It makes them well rounded and opens them up to new sights and sounds and builds confidence.  You don't have to eat in the theme park restaurant, you can make sandwiches and drink tap water or fruit juice, as we do, but you have to pay for the 30 dollars, at least, of gas and the 80 dollars, at least, in tickets to get into the attraction.

    Now sure, you can be smart and save money in other places.  I just repaired my washing machine, again and I can usually make a machine that most families would throw away after 5 years last 8 years before buying  a new one. I drive two cars that did not cost me what most of you spent on your own car.  Since my children live in a 7 bedroom house I don't feel they need to be dropped at friends in a 30,000 dollar car when a 1500 dollar car will do the task.

    Likewise they wear second hand clothes, mostly bought from ebay or given to us by other families.  I don't want them to care about labels or the latest fashions.  They look perfectly neat and tidy and the clothes don't appear at all worn or washed out.

    Ultimately some women might care more about a new washing machine or a car than entertaining their children during the summer vacation. People spend their money as they choose.  I know one Trad family with teenaged children who have never taken them to London despite it being only 90 mins away.  You can see that the children are somewhat withdrawn because they've essentially grown up with just their own company and the attitude of " they have the basics and that should be enough" has prevailed through their lives.

    Their parents have a nicer car than me, but only really use it to go to mass because they "cannot afford" the gasoline to go further than 20 miles from their home.

    So it is a complex formula, but my attitude has always been to try and earn more money than I strictly needed and then work out what I could economise on rather than trying to make a small salary stretch beyond what was practical or desirable.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 07, 2014, 10:46:16 AM »
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    As for food most women would want some variety of food for their children.  The odd steak, smoked salmon twice a year, fresh vegetables, meat that was not chewy.  If you cut out table sauces, the better cuts of meat, stick to the cheapest foods you can cut your grocery bill enormously.  You can also use old newspapers to wipe your....  But food is also a pleasure and mothers get a pleasure out of seeing their families eat well...


    So basically, you're saying "If by 'the necessities of life' you mean 'every luxury', then I agree with you."

    We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Let's put it this way. There's a gulf as wide as the Atlantic Ocean between a young man from Ohio that we all remember, and someone in your position. You two are basically polar opposites, sitting like bookends as the 2 extremes of what a Catholic man can be.

    The former had no job, was a complete idealist, and wasn't even taking concrete steps to change his situation. He didn't even know what he wanted to be "when he grew up", even though he was in his mid 30's. Such a man is not eligible for marriage and I'm not defending such men.

    Then there's you, who enjoys the finer things of life, makes good money, and has a 6th sense about how to get ahead in this world. Continuing with my objective observation, you probably have above-average talents in the intelligence/business/people skills department. You also have a lot of prudence (you know when to shut up, etc.)

    Not all men have the same IQ. Some have psychological or emotional baggage or outright disabilities. Everyone is raised by a different set of parents, who taught their children all their strengths and weaknesses, which vary by person. You can't assume that everyone is just like you.

    Anyhow, that basically leaves MOST Catholic men somewhere in the middle. As long as a man is willing to work, and has some kind of job sufficient to support a family (not SPOIL a family, but SUPPORT it), he is able to get married and many women will be happy with that.

    There have always been simple, lower-class families who got their pleasures from simple family life rather than smoked salmon, steak, and vacations. You can't relate to that, and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that such people exist.

    Not all women have champagne wishes and caviar dreams.
     
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