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Title: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 15, 2018, 06:47:19 PM
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Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Pax Vobis on June 15, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
Interesting from a legal perspective (i.e. keep the state out of your business).  Though, even if you're not married can't the CPS still come to your house and "check on the kids"?   
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: TxTrad on June 15, 2018, 08:10:12 PM
Interesting from a legal perspective (i.e. keep the state out of your business).  Though, even if you're not married can't the CPS still come to your house and "check on the kids"?  
Yes, they can.
And most states have automatic common law marriages, too.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Incredulous on June 16, 2018, 02:35:25 PM


The protestant pastor sees the "systemic epidemic" of married women leaving their husbands. 

But how was this epidemic systematically engineered?

The satanist, talmudist, Karl Marx, made it a tenet of his communist religion.

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"Social progress can be measured by the
      social position of the female sex"

The jews and their masonic minions know they can't achieve control of society until they destroy the family.

Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: klasG4e on June 16, 2018, 05:03:58 PM

The jews and their masonic minions know they can't achieve control of society until they destroy the family.

As far as I know every single member of the Frankfurt School without exception was a Jew.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: klasG4e on June 16, 2018, 06:10:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSKIM75UXaI
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Dolores on June 17, 2018, 01:39:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSKIM75UXaI

Yes, they can.
And most states have automatic common law marriages, too.
No they don’t.  Common law marriage is only legal in 10 states.  It has been outlawed in 27, and was never legal in the remaining 13.

The 10 states where common law marriage remains legal are Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, New Hampshire, Montana, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Last Tradhican on June 18, 2018, 04:09:08 AM
 All these "pastors" are of the world, of the City of Man and not of the City of God. ALL of the people of the City of Man will never find the solutions because they are in with Satan.

There is only one solution, the return to the true Faith lived. There is no other way. That is the answer to all of these problems. No one can fight Satan any other way, they do not stand a chance. If one lives the true faith, everything changes, and the tables are completely turned, it is then Satan who stands no chance. However, there is no half way on this, if you slack off and go part way, it will not work. Do not fool yourselves, live the faith 100%.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Pax Vobis on June 18, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Marriage is both a natural and spiritual institution.  Though God wishes all men to be good catholics, this isn't reality, especially nowadays.  Non-catholics should, and can, have happy marriages because such goals are within reach if the natural law (i.e. 10 commandments) are followed.  *Some* of these pastors give really good practical advice because most problems are with human nature, which all men have the ability to understand.

So, while I agree with you that non-catholics cannot solve some problems because they don't have the proper spiritual weapons, there are still many problems they can solve, when they deal with human nature. 

I find that many Trad clerics today do an excellent job teaching the theory, spirituality and theology of the Faith, but the practical side of things is often ignored.  This is mostly due to our limited exposure to our priests, which mainly consists of a 30 min sermon once a week.  So the priest concentrates on the 'essentials' of the faith.  In times past, when rome was orthodox and we had a functioning church, there existed men like Fulton Sheen and assistant pastors of each neighborhood, who had the time and vocation to bring the faith down to the practical level and help solve problems of day to day life. 

This type of guidance does not exist today on a regular basis and it is part of our suffering and persecution.  God knows we need these things and in some areas, like marriage or the family, I do think *some* protestant ministers do a good job of offering 'real life' solutions and guidance, even if they are on the natural level or based in Scripture (which has a lot of practical advice, for example in the books of Proverbs, Eccelsiastes, etc).  These ministers have to time to spend on research and on helping people because protestantism is a natural religion and they focus on helping humanity.  But even Catholics can still take advantage of such 'natural law' wisdom and benefit from it.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Ascetik on June 18, 2018, 10:31:49 AM
This is my personal experience, so take it for what you will, but I have found that when it comes to practical marriage issues, traditional Catholic priests I have tried talking to (FSSP and SSPX) are either unwilling or just ignore you. I know priests are busy, but these things are important. Where are people supposed to turn when you have issues such as one of the spouses refusing the martial debt, or one of the spouses is just off in la-la land and not fulfilling their duties of state in life. Catholic marriage "counselors" are not the answer to this issue because they are all Novus Ordo and do not have a firm grasp on the traditional teaching of the Church with regards to the rights and duties of the married state.

I have noticed this trend too, more and more women are just leaving their husbands. There is a gentleman I know on facebook who's wife left him, and they have 5 children. He is a good Catholic from what I can tell on facebook and takes his faith very seriously. It is just a really sad state of affairs all around.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Cantarella on June 18, 2018, 11:37:42 AM
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Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Mithrandylan on June 18, 2018, 12:13:27 PM
I'm not sure why the video got three downthumbs.  Is it because it's a protestant pastor?
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Good luck finding that wisdom from anybody else nowadays.  This is a problem very unique to today, and this man had quite a bit of practical advice which he was giving as someone who has professionally counseled married couples, and it all seemed very sound to me-- nothing he had to say was "based in religion" but much more in basic human psychology and the times we find ourselves in.
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He seemed to recommend a prenup at the beginning (like a lot of fiery black speakers, he doesn't always conclude his points).  One might find that objectionable.  I'm not entirely sure.  What I would think is that if you're marrying someone and you feel that there's any reason at all to get a prenup, then you probably shouldn't marry them.  If you do get a prenup I don't think it disturbs the validity or lawfulness of the marriage, unless it spells out a clear and decisive lack of intent to marry.
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Anyways.  Thought it was a good video.  Prayers for all the single men out there.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Wessex on June 18, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
The nature of relationships has changed and serial attachments are now becoming the norm for women. There is their need for emotional security which if not met leads to secret planning and plotting to find a replacement. Material security may now be less important in the case of career women but she will help herself to what assets there are when leaving. Compare this to old style marriages where you honoured for life the vows that were made.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: TxTrad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:13 PM
I find that many Trad clerics today do an excellent job teaching the theory, spirituality and theology of the Faith, but the practical side of things is often ignored.  
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Our sspx priest does not help women.  He tells them to see their doctor to get drugs.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: TxTrad on June 18, 2018, 02:11:14 PM

I have noticed this trend too, more and more women are just leaving their husbands. There is a gentleman I know on facebook who's wife left him, and they have 5 children. He is a good Catholic from what I can tell on facebook and takes his faith very seriously. It is just a really sad state of affairs all around.
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 You don't know the circumstances of their marriage, so you should not presume the fault to be hers.  She may have a husband like Croix...
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Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: TxTrad on June 18, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
Yes, they can.
And most states have automatic common law marriages, too.

No they don’t.  Common law marriage is only legal in 10 states.  It has been outlawed in 27, and was never legal in the remaining 13.

The 10 states where common law marriage remains legal are Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, New Hampshire, Montana, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah.
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You are right.  Thank you for correcting me.
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All U.S. jurisdictions provide, under their laws of comity, that a marriage validly contracted in another jurisdiction is valid in their jurisdiction.
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Ergo, a common law marriage in one state is recognized valid in another state.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: AJNC on June 21, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
This is a good video. This sort of thing is happening across the world across all religions and cultures. A son of mine as a Traditional Catholic now faces a future as a celibate man, with gaping holes in his pocketbook. His three children face an unknown future. His ex-wife -to-be faces a future in a "woman-empowered" world.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Pax Vobis on June 22, 2018, 09:19:16 AM
Can you provide more details about the legal situation?  The wife wanted a divorce and now he has to pay how much?
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MMagdala on June 22, 2018, 03:02:44 PM
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Our sspx priest does not help women.  He tells them to see their doctor to get drugs.
Drugs for what purpose?  What type of drugs?
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Ladislaus on June 22, 2018, 05:45:55 PM
Just look for the right qualities in a woman, arranged in the right (Catholic) priority, and you will significantly reduce the odds of this kind of thing happening.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Ladislaus on June 22, 2018, 06:02:23 PM
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Our sspx priest does not help women.  He tells them to see their doctor to get drugs.

There are many priests who don't understand women very well.  And that's only natural since many of them have not had any serious (intimate) relationships with women.  It's difficult enough for men to understand women even after being married to them  :).  Now try to imagine never knowing any women very closely.  So they punt when it comes to women's issues.  I've known some priests who advise women to seek counsel from their husbands (even if a large part of the problem has to do with their very relationship with their husbands).  In many cases, they just don't know what to do.  I think that this may be one benefit of the married priests they have always had in the Eastern Rites.  Priests also sometimes have very little to say about issues that parents have with their children, not having had children of their own.  So the priests can be very good and laying out the principles of Catholic theology regarding women's relationships, but often struggle to apply these within the context of how women think.  But the prudential considerations involved in how to apply these principles to specific situations involving wives and children can escape them.  We men sometimes find ourselves trying to impose our male thought patterns on women ... even when we've been in intimate relationships.  Much more so for priests who have never had such close relationships.  In convents, women act as the primary spiritual advisors to the other sisters, and there's a lot to be said for that.  Priests could help educate the Mother Superior about the principles involved, and then she can try to apply them to the Sisters.

So, if a woman might be struggling with emotional issues, hey, maybe meds (liked SSRIs) could help.  It's a sign of desperation from a man trying to understand women.  Now, if there were religious Sisters near women, as there used to be in the good old Traditional days, women could seek counsel from women religious.  While these woman also would (generally) not have had serious relationships with men, they could at least speak to the women in their own language ... as it were.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Ladislaus on June 22, 2018, 06:03:57 PM
Just look for the right qualities in a woman, arranged in the right (Catholic) priority, and you will significantly reduce the odds of this kind of thing happening.

Lots of men (even Traditional Catholics) seek out women primarily based on physical and emotional attraction and then act surprised when the woman doesn't have the principles and virtues that are needed to keep a relationship on track.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: alaric on June 23, 2018, 06:47:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGvVWhCYdE
Maybe this guy needs to look to Islam as an solution to his "wymyn" problems....... ::)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/honor-killing-and-islam_b_168401.html
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: alaric on June 23, 2018, 06:54:34 AM
Lots of men (even Traditional Catholics) seek out women primarily based on physical and emotional attraction and then act surprised when the woman doesn't have the principles and virtues that are needed to keep a relationship on track.
I see this all the time. They go for the "hot" girl and have a great time until they figure out she has the brain of a gnat and the morals of a drunken sailor AFTER they tie the knot. then it's all downhill from there.


That's why over half the marriages fail in this country, not so much because the women are not virtuous as much as the single men are too lonely, horny and stupid to pick the right one out to begin with. Although I agree, for a young guy, the pickins might be a bit slim these days, but for crying out loud, raise your standards a little before you go jumpin the broom with the first bimbo who gives you the time of day, stop being so pathetic.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Smedley Butler on June 23, 2018, 07:18:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGvVWhCYdE
This video is anti-Catholic spam from a non-Catholic "pastor. "
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 12:07:00 AM
This video is anti-Catholic spam from a non-Catholic "pastor. "
No, it's not anti-Catholic spam.

Mention the time of the video and what he says that's "anti-Catholic". You can't because there's nothing anti-Catholic in it.

You, also, are guilty of bearing false witness against your neighbor.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MaterDominici on June 24, 2018, 01:25:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGvVWhCYdE
I only made half way through this. While what he says certainly happens, what he's missing is the rest of us. His "25 years experience" only applies to dysfunctional marriages. The relationships that work don't need his "services". So, all he can tell you is how BAD marriages operate. What he has no experience with is how GOOD marriages operate. (unless he himself is in a functional marriage -- though, it doesn't sound likely) 
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I seem to make it onto several groups promoting Christ-centered marriage ... probably because the interested parties overlap quite a bit with the homeschooling communities that I intend to follow. Anyhow, these people have a lot of good advice about building up and keeping a good marriage because they're LIVING what they talk about. They're married and have been for decades. They talk about what WORKS, not about what doesn't work. Their only major downside is a little Protestant spin, but if you can handle this guy, their touch of Protestantism isn't going to hurt you. Some of them are even Catholic. A quick Google search and I'm sure you'll find dozens of such sites.
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This guy has seen too much failure -- in his own life or others, who knows. What you need to succeed is to hear from those who've been successful, not those who haven't.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 01:43:01 AM
What he has no experience with is how GOOD marriages operate. (unless he himself is in a functional marriage -- though, it doesn't sound likely)

He's been married to the same woman for over 30 years. His wife was a virgin when he married her, too.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MaterDominici on June 24, 2018, 01:44:54 AM
He's been married to the same woman for over 30 years. His wife was a virgin when he married her, too.
So, you should post the videos where he talks about his own relationship. I doubt he's kept himself emotionally unattached to his wife for 30 years!
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MaterDominici on June 24, 2018, 01:46:26 AM
Study what works and you'll know what sort of person you're looking for.
Knowing what sorts of people to avoid only gets you so far.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 01:49:12 AM
So, you should post the videos where he talks about his own relationship. I doubt he's kept himself emotionally unattached to his wife for 30 years!

The point of the OP (original post) video is to encourage men to take proactive steps in protecting themselves from predatory women and the corrupt judicial system. The videos you recommend don't address that imperative topic.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MaterDominici on June 24, 2018, 01:53:37 AM
The point of the OP video is to encourage men to take proactive steps in protecting themselves from predatory women and the corrupt judicial system. The videos you recommend don't address that imperative topic.
He's not just talking about legal paperwork. He specifically said, "You don't give your heart to her." And, "Don't you dare trust the one whom you lay your head in her bosom." Is that how he treats his wife?
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MaterDominici on June 24, 2018, 02:12:48 AM
I can only presume when he speaks generally that he includes his own wife in these comments. He says, "In this country [wives] are entitled to half of YOUR labors and they ain't done s***... ain't been nothin' but a thorn in your side."

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that this would never apply to your standard Trad family. He either has no children, or sends them off to daycare while his wife sits at home, or what?? I can't imagine a scenario where a Trad wife has nothing to do to contribute to the goals of the family while her husband is earning an income.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 02:14:30 AM
He's not just talking about legal paperwork. He specifically said, "You don't give your heart to her." And, "Don't you dare trust the one whom you lay your head in her bosom." Is that how he treats his wife?

I think he's talking about how men should being on guard against women, because women study men on how they can manipulate them, but the man can still love her. He's saying there's a difference between giving them your heart and loving them. Giving them your heart, the woman can use that against the man. The man can still love the woman without giving her his heart. I think that's what he's saying. I'm not saying I agree with him there.

But that's beside the main point of men protecting themselves from women by getting a prenup and not getting a State marriage license.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 02:26:38 AM
I think he gets that way of thinking from Micheas 7:5  (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Micheas+7%3A5&b=drb)

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Believe not a friend, and trust not in a prince: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that sleepeth in thy bosom.

Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: MaterDominici on June 24, 2018, 05:47:32 PM
I think he gets that way of thinking from Micheas 7:5  (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Micheas+7%3A5&b=drb)
Typical Protestant. Read the whole chapter and you'll see where his thinking falls apart.
Title: Re: Men Considering Marriage, Watch This First
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 05:58:27 PM
Typical Protestant. Read the whole chapter and you'll see where his thinking falls apart.
I already know the chapter which is why I previously said I don't necessarily agree with him about the part of not giving a woman your heart.

You're missing the forest for the trees, too.

The main issue at hand is men protecting themselves from predatory women stealing everything men own through "divorce" by getting a prenup and/or avoiding a State marriage license.